Frank Raphael

You can't say people aren't Villa fans for wanting Delph to fail if he joins them. Once he's gone he's dead to me.

I think it's a good signing for them for the quoted fee but it shouldn't be the only midfielder signed.

Deluded clearing in the woods. I remember him saying that England should sack Gary Neville and hire him as coach instead because he was the best defender in the world, then made some comment about the England captaincy going to Beckham and not him. If he is London mayor he will go for Prime Minister next. "Why should I, Sol Campbell, not be the Prime Minister?"

Probably about the same I'd imagine.

There is a poster on here who is ITK and knows Delph in person I think. Remember him saying he isn't going and that was from the horse's mouth and that the only clause was relegation related. Anyone else remember reading this?

I don't think so.

Hope he steps on an upside down plug.

I think this is bullshit. He's always struck me as a good lad, I have no reason to believe he will go there. He said he wouldn't leave last summer and he didn't, when everyone had expected him to leave on a free. I believe everything he said on that video. Even if that wasn't the case, with the Euros next year it'd be incredibly stupid to risk his England place by spending the season as a back up player at one club rather than captain and leader of another. It doesn't matter how much money they offer, a place at the Euros next year is a once in a lifetime thing I'd imagine. He's sorted for life anyway. I'm keeping faith in Delphy until I have reason not to and there is some confirmation he wants to go or a deal is in place.

Home shirt is nice. Away shirt is average at best. Wonder when this seasons shirts will go down to a fiver. Waiting to buy the away one.

Ideally it would have no sponsor but this is modern football. Considering what Swansea have ended up with ours is fine.

I like it.

Also should the crest not have white trim around it?

Is the blue at a 90 degree angle as it blends from the sleeve to the shoulder? Think our 2011/12 home one where it was more rounded.

Considering that this is meant to be a retro tribute kit you would think they'd do something fitting like drop the sponsor on it.

Only 1 team is sponsored by Nike in the entire Premier League, tells you something when all the clubs have left them, as for Adidas they have the same templates for every team Not just in England, but off the top of my head: Celtic (New Balance) Juventus (Adidas) PSV (Umbro) Have all left as well. Now wouldn't be a bad time to go back to Nike really. As for Adidas, they do use the same templates but their stuff is by far the best quality of any manufacturer. The bigger problem would be getting the three stripes to suit the claret and blue.

I'm aware which is why I can't see it being changed.

Next season is absolutely massive for Jack. Really want to see if he can push on. Should be aiming for five league goals. Got any links to a few?

We failed to make the CL though. I think it should just go back to the 80s crest. The 80s crest with a good lion would be a good compromise and different to what we've had in the past. Cadbury as our sponsor obviously.

Umbro is realistic. They are trying to build up their prestige again after the Nike thing and losing all of their big contracts over time. In the Prem I think it's just Everton and West Ham they manufacture kits for so I could definitely see this happening. I think the shirts need a crest change though. I wouldn't mind a simple gold lion embroidered on ala the Spurs cockerel. Either that or just go back to one of the previous crests as the current one just makes me think of five years of relegation fighting and no trophies.

I like Foxy.

Any more info on this at all? Really not liking the some of either shirt.

Are you Colombian mate?

Dunno about them doing wonders. These ones are the only really good ones they've made: And they're both based on old shirts. They try to put too much detail into things when it isn't needed (collars, sleeves, Macron men etc)

Brilliant. i don't get it. He's been on Photoshop and added some quintessential English traits from ages ago. I got it straight away, it was excellent.