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Thanks id not seen the interview. Sadly I’ve no doubt whatsoever it is actually significantly worse than even he is finding out. I have direct knowledge of a Care Home using unscreened, untested, agency staff drafted in from domiciliary care ( but still doing that aswell). No assessment whatsoever is carried out on these workers, where they’ve been, how many domestic premises they visit, what precautions they take. When visiting in the Community they have no PPE. Theses same careers are aware of what they think are Co-vid related deaths amongst their clientele - but the lack of Post Mortem mean there is no record in some cases, and even where there is a PM the Carers are not necessarily informed of Cause of Death.....they only hear on the grapevine. The possibility of transmission back and forth is clear. Within the homes, protection is rudimentary. It’s always been clear social distancing is impossible with many residents, especially where there is dementia and other diseases......so PPE and Testing are absolutely critical. Testing is so rare as to be virtually non existent. Residents who get hospital treatment - for whatever reason - return to the home without being tested. I know of Care Workers in my own general locality who have contracted the virus, and who have lost family members. One has lost three family members. I am as convinced as I’ve ever been of anything that the situation with cate Home deaths and deaths in the community is catastrophic. (* and as for illnesses ........)

Im not sure of anything any more. But that exercise in narcissism and self aggrandisement should’ve turned the stomach of all decent people. ( even those who think what he said was true).

I’ve no problem if someone is bothered about restarting football. Feel free. No reason we should all think it’s irrelevant. But I do resent the suggestion that I’d feel different if we were chasing an trophy. And, in a first for me, (have never before said that I presume to know what others think) I will say I think others will feel the same. My personal feelings that (a) I genuinely don’t give a toss about whether football restarts it’s “season”, and (b) I think it’s farcical to even consider it, are based on nothing other than watching the catastrophe unfolding around us and it’s impact on people’s lives, and I find it pretty distasteful that the authenticity of those feelings are the subject of speculation. Someone wants it, cares about it, fine. Leave it at that.

That awful awful man has absolutely no sense of shame or decency. The suffering of Americans has barely merited a mention in a Press Conference which has been exclusively about how fantastic he is. Sickening. And I’m afraid I’m also sickened that anyone can support him.

No I didn't say any such thing.

I thought this was very funny. Although since the guy who said it is part of a behavioural science team advising the Government, maybe it isn’t ( from the Guardian) “One solution would be for landlords to ration how much beer they serve, to two or three pints, he said. Customers would then be politely asked to go home.” ...yeah right, that’d work https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/27/coronavirus-easing-uk-lockdown-require-tough-enforcement-rules?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Clearly none of them are Villa fans !

I think you meant asymptomatic. Its our players who are asymmetric ! And when you meant asymptomatic, I think you meant immune, as asymptomatic just means showing no symptoms. And when you meant immune, they probably aren’t Other than that I couldn’t agree more !

You are quite correct. Beds. How many. What type. What staff. Staff absentee/ illness levels current and forecast. What equipment. What medicines. What ancillary staff. What Porters. What current occupation/vacancy level. What occupation in 6 hours. More ? Less ? Factor in the weather forecasts. What % emergency provision held in reserve. How does this correlate to the next Hospital along. What about that Private Hospital. Where is the next best spillover location. Ambulances. Paramedics. Morgue capacity. Crematorium capacity. Coroners availability. And much more. Then add in Care Homes, sheltered housing etc. Then multiply it by 80, in the case of Wales ( 80 hospitals) and multiply it by god knows what for the Homes, Private facility’s and even surgeries. Co-ordination is required across all that. And through the pharmaceutical supply chain and much more. Then , the daily results of that need to be considered with the relevant ones from elsewhere, then decisions taken on resource distribution and the effect of these decisions monitored. I have no idea what the answer is to the original question, but the “ admin” is rather complex to say the least. Which is why Senior people are involved.

I have ( very) close family members in more than one of the Forces and can’t say much. But I can say I know of at least one fairly senior member of the armed forces who does nothing but collate and coordinate such data for an area the size of North Wales. If that helps. ( I say ‘nothing but’.....the data is used for many things, resource planning/ allocation and much more)

I won’t comment on that specifically but I will say the whole point many have tried to make repeatedly is that very very little is known for certain about this Virus, ( and next to nothing about what may happen over time) which is why so many Doctors, epidemiologists, and governments, have seen the need for extraordinary steps to be taken. So, whilst in two years we may look back and say some things were overdone, it is just as possible that in two years we will look back and consider everything that’s being done to be massively insufficient. I know which I’d prefer.

Just a cautionary note - whilst the Journal is legit, and the Paediatric Intensive Care Society is aswell, no report I’ve found links directly to the original alert, so for the sake of certainty, let’s say this ISNT fully confirmed as yet. However, a glance through various medical professionals Twitter Feeds suggests it is believed by them and, sadly, confirms what they have begun hearing from other countries.

“[In the] last three weeks, there has been an apparent rise in the number of children of all ages presenting with a multi-system inflammatory state requiring intensive care across London and also in other regions of the UK. “There is a growing concern that a [Covid-19] related inflammatory syndrome is emerging in children in the UK, or that there may be another, as yet unidentified, infectious pathogen associated with these cases.” https://www.hsj.co.uk/acute-care/exclusive-national-alert-as-coronavirus-related-condition-may-be-emerging-in-children/7027496.article edit : decided to leave this here but see my Post a bit further down page

It’s not fake. It’s real, and could be very disturbing. EDIT - still unconfirmed actually

Thank you.

The clue is I said “ ideas”. I didn’t say “ I can’t believe we are still hearing some people would have died anyway.” Because as you say it’s a simple fact. I was referring to the use of this simple fact in the development of ideas questioning the veracity of the virus, and the reaction to it. I am sorry I really did think that was obvious ! Ah well, it is now.

Thank you ....I assumed we all knew what I meant, and what I meant had nothing to do with the obvious fact that yes, some people who died would’ve died anyway.

For completeness I’d add that not all deaths are Post Mortem’d and checked for Co-Vid, the existing requirement was relaxed a few weeks ago.

Can’t believe we are still hearing the “ would’ve died anyway” ideas

I will let the two of you debate what is optimistic and pessimistic, but reality is as follows ; They ARE aiming to have 1m doses available by September, true. They are producing them without knowing whether they will work. And they are hoping - in a best case scenario - to have the efficacy results of the Third Phase of Trial by the Autumn, and have expressed an 80% confidence these trials could show the vaccine protects against the virus. If all that pans out, they hope to then have the ability to provide vaccine for emergency use. Their own publications on the issue stress these are highly ambitious best case time frames and subject to change. Theyve not made a prediction for a best case time frame of sufficient quantity for general vaccination of the population.

If you add ignorance to that selfishness you have the problem in a nutshell. The most informed debate I’ve seen anywhere outside CNN has been in this thread, and even in here there is a huge spread of awareness as to the severity of this virus. I’ve tried to keep my own family informed but even within that there are huge gaps in their understanding. The sad truth is the ‘lockdown’ here will basically melt away before being loosened by Government in Mid May. And by August we will be back where we started ( albeit with some better infrastructure in place).

Yes indeed ...joking ( and the awful gravity of the situation) aside I consider myself personally very lucky and very content. Particularly as being socially isolated is my ideal way of life. I literally miss nothing other than the Villa...... ......and to be honest that was pretty crap half the time

You could always get a Season Ticket for the Blues

There’s no way a virus could survive in those bogs.

Quite brilliant