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So its just a sad illness as anyone at anytime could do something like this, if they are suffering and tell nobody, or nobody picks up on it at all? There are no signs whats so ever, someone can lead a normal life talk to friends as they normally do but are in fact suffering?

Word Removed O'Neill will only go to Sunderland if he is promised cash and lots of it. Cheque book manager and wont threaten his ego with any less. Good to see he managed to get a bigger club than Villa being this amazing manage and all

agreed, how people can moan about that goal tally is beyond me The same way people can moan about Lerner because he inherited his money amungust other daft reasons. (Disclaimer, some valid too mind.)

Don't get the obsession with o'neill, he is a word removed and left when couldn't get what he want. He didnt sign the cheques though did he. Lerner was a fool for trusting him, he was probably worried that he would leave sooner and just said yes yes yes. Shit it when no money more said no, off he went. Nothing to do with o'neill lerners fault for giving him to much control.

Confirmed as suicide? Very very sad news, always seemed a nice down to earth bloke r.i.p

5 out of 10 shit?

Perhaps the venkeys could buy us. Yes, lets bring up the very worst chairman in the league as an example of why Randy is good. Well done. Now lets make a list of chairman who do a much better job and who don't screw up two sports clubs (and football club by spending too much like a little schoolboy on sweets trying to buy attention of the bullies around him to stop them beating him - and then when it doesn't work, selling his mums best jewellery to make up for it) and also a man who appoints one of the worst managers in the premier league last season, one who has relegated more clubs than any of our past 5 managers and one who has no idea how to set up a football team. So yes, lets bring up venkeys and use them as a tool to beat people with who do not lick the PR off the current chairmans bollocks. you have an Un-healthy obsession with me dodgy, posting in poster left right and centre. So Lerner is a joke of a chairman, but not as much as a joke as an actual shit owner in the venkeys, oh ok. Typical VT depressive logic there.. Season ticket for many a yeah thank you TheDrums lower holte, enjoyed supporting villa when we were doing nothin, supposedly doing something under o'neill and back to doing nothing, couldn't afford it this year I'll still enjoy it if we win the league or are relegated god forbid, whilst plenty of vt will witness the apocalypse unless PF is sacked along with our current manager and the second coming owner (with a self made fortune obviously) comes along and makes people feel important again.

Perhaps the venkeys could buy us.

Shit defender.

Word removed o'neill been approached by Sunderland, shocker didn't find a club bigger than Villa.

Apple in general is a premium product, your paying for a very high build quality, they create the OS and the hardware so is designed to work together, when things go wrong this helps a lot. The Air is a killer because although the specs dont show it, its just as quick as the pro in real world scenarios. The hardware feels well built, its like the difference between buying something from John Lewis and then buying something from Aldi. Feels like it will last and most of the time it will. You obviously have the odd problems, selling millions of units your bound to, but Apple will always try and sort you out if you can make it to an Apple show that is. For example on the older White MacBooks their was a known case cracking problem around the joins on the bottom and top parts, if this ever happened Apple would pay for the repair themselves from an authorised service provider. Pay for it to be picked up by courier, fixed and returned you didn't have to pay for anything. Obviously if you split tea all over the keyboard that would be your fault. Apple also try and learn from this, their next laptop designed completely eliminated the join that cracked, built from one piece of aluminium so the whole unit is solid and feels well built. No company is perfect, they do things their way and lock you into things, but if that doesn't bother you lots of folk enjoy em. Other PC laptops are defiantly cheaper, but during the lifetime of your Mac you'll probably had to have bought 2 or 3 pc laptops because they've broken after using shitty parts.

Get goals in the premier league, has he done that yet?

As i said, i love your sweeping statements

No chance. I love your sweeping statements CI

Again are you a coach around the club, know how he trains with the senior squad and could cope? This is not football manager. Swansea will pass the ball better than us, especially when it falls to the feet of Dunne and especially Collins the most lazy footballers in the world, pass it to a midfielder and a midfielder come and offer himself for it, FFS!

Normally yes, but they paid a small fortune for him so it might have an impact on keeping a little bit longer.

Please heed your previous pms from Mods.- stick to posting about the topic and less about your perceptions of other posters. And other posters are kindly requested to stop name calling as well. Our tolerance is limited. Thanks. Blandy

Comments like this are one of the many reasons we're in a mess and how fans can help. Some thrive on the chaos, almost seem to enjoy it; promoting negative discussions over positive ones at all costs. **** up.

Not around the time of Steve Stride leaving he didn't! This Steve Stride we talk about, he is the same one you see in the Directors Box for most home matches? So upset at his leaving of his position he still comes to the match at the behest of the owner who dumped him and not only that, those clubs who would be queueing up for his services the following season because of his experience (which I don't doubt, nor his usefulness to these clubs) clearly employed him so quickly (I don't doubt there were offers btw). Anyone ever thought that he actually thought "The time is right?" Now I can find fault with Randy Lerner down many avenues in the last couple of seasons. I think the board has made quite a few mistakes along the way, some were part of a learning curve, some were plain silly but I don't for one minute think he's worse than Deadly, nor do I think, it's time for him to sell up and go. I think he's made some very poor decisions and some good ones. I'm realistic enough to realise that quite soon the Premier League bubble might actually burst and in quite a spectacular style. The next Sky deal may be less than the current one, they and NI have more than enough troubles that I shouldn't need to expound upon. The country (in fact the whole world virtually) is in an extremely volatile economic situation where a.t.m. there are few winners and in such times the frivolity that is football will undoubtedly suffer. RL cannot afford to compete with the CL clubs right now, that much is obvious but what I think he is doing is preparing the club to compete when the bubble does burst. And Yes the appointment of Mcleish was not the ideal appointment but it was an appointment that kind of signalled the way we're looking to the short term future in predicting a bit of a slump. We tried the throwing cash at it approach during the good times, it nearly worked but world economics kinda intervened (and Man Citeh). Even the biggest clubs in the land are struggling a bit comparatively right now. Want a Man Utd Season Ticket? they'll sell you one tomorrow, same for Liverpool and that next SKY deal is crucial to the sport in this country. Few clubs can survive a big drop in TV money as well as the current attendance drops around the country. Football needs to wise up, it needs to charge fans less, substantially less and we'll wait and see if the club drops its prices (they need to) but those clubs preparing now will benefit if the bubble bursts, which I think is inevitable (other's may disagree). If that is what RL is looking at then he may actually in time be considered to have foresight. I still think McLeish's appointment signalled this in the summer. I wasn't a fan of the idea, he wouldn't have been my choice and even now, I think he's a poor manager in some respects but I also think he's kind of the right manager for us right now. Yes he makes some cock ups, like the team selection against Spuds, he got that completely wrong but so did the players, they looked on the whole like they didn't give a shit either and I think that is symptomatic of the whole football culture right now, the players at Villa are no different with some exceptions. But you can't just get rid of most of the team overnight, just like you can't just dump a manager after 12 games or get on the owners back after such a short period of a downturn. The wages thing may be sorted to a degree next summer, with quite a few players at the end of their contracts and replacements will be needed, lets just see what happens then. I for one don't think we'll get relegated this season despite what some people think, our squad IS better than that. We're in a dark place right now (ish) but I don't think getting rid of the manager or protesting against the owner it the correct and constructive thing to do right now, the current strategy might actually be the correct one in the medium to long term, in the mean time we just have to grin and bear it. Sticky!

Randy shouldn't make any mistakes! He also didn't earn his money and was given it, that counts as well apparently.

So the owner good or bad should control who is signed? O'Neill would have been out the door sooner rather than later if that was the case. Lerner wrongly trusted O'Neill i'm sure he has learnt from it. Yet if he was still here and we were going through the same situation, i imagine there would be only a quarter of the hysteria. End of the world down Villa Park.

You dont get it, you seem to be only happy supporting a club if they are spending money and appear like they could do something. Villa will do nothing unless large amounts of money will be spent and it wont be. Like a hell of a lot of other clubs, are they all depressed and suicidal like some Villa fans are... If you cannot take that, why not support a club with loads of money, if thats difficult. If not support the club through thick and thin, rather than looking for the next bad buy to blame everything on. I'm not happy we cannot spend money i just understand that its not he be all and end all, i still enjoy going to watch Villa whether they were top of the league or bottom of league 1. Some fans have lost sight of that and feel the need to wave their pitch forks at someone.

So thats Lerners fault then is it? The current manager doesn't get enough fight from his players. Sack that manager, on to the next one. That doesn't happen, sack that one too. Easy, costs no money, players will love it obviously. Fans should be ignored as 9 times out of 10 they know jack shit about running a football club.

Thats not actually true, a few posts in OT dont say villa or fans People just need to get a grip, we're half the problem. If we all stopped bickering and made Villa park full every week, it would help a hell of a lot. But folk are far too busy getting their nickers in a twist over the fact we're not going to do anything anytime soon. What happened to just enjoying supporting your local team, watching them play football good or bad. Football fans in general have been brainwashed by money are far too concerned with what other teams are doing. If you cannot enjoy football unless your winning something then i dunno why people support football, because its not about the game, its just glory. Of course its great when its happens, but this is more to being a football supporter.

I would, this thread wouldn't be as big if people didn't think that. Hes not allowed to make mistakes, some have a problem with how he is wealthy as well, which is laughable. I'm sure they would have a problem with a Sheikh mansour type as well Any owner will make mistakes, spend too much money, not spend too much money. He really is not that bad. The main problem is people dont like feeling we're going nowhere. Well boo **** woo, welcome to everyone apart from the top 5 or 6 in the premier league. I dont know how everyone copes, dont know why everyone elses grounds are not empty. Is it possible you can think and type out a post without reverting to cursing, constantly saying "****" and calling Villa fans "pathetic"? Cursing online doesn't make you hard or make whatever point you are making any more valuable or factual. I apologise if swearing offends you. I did indeed think it made me proper hard! But i'm sorry some Villa fans are pathetic. All clubs that have fans which are pathetic, Villa ones are not doing themselves any favours currently though, with bizarre ramblings that we have a terrible owner. Because amongst other things he was given his money.