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Nonce sense. and if you are an intelligent man, you'd know that. Voting in a safe constituency for a minority party in that constituency is akin to lobbing your ballot paper down the loo. How does a vote for a losing candidate count again? What a thoroughly dissapointing post Sir. If you chose to vote for a minority party thats your prerogative - and I would happily fight to defend your right to do so. However, if you choose to vote for a party that less people support, that is your decision and you must accept that a greater number of people would like to be governed by someone else.

Was this directed at my request for reasons you'd voted no? Because, no offence, but that's a terrible explanation. No it was directed at drat. I'm voting no because no one really wants AV, and a system that selects our leaders on the basis that most people don't mind them seems to be a bit silly. Also, its a massive lump of cash wasted to effect very little actual change. It won't prevent "safe" seats in most cases - it will mean there are slightly fewer of them.

Under FPTP every vote DOES count. The only people whining that their votes doesn't are those who support parties that lose..... or conversly, the ones who fewer people actually support. I fail to see how an electoral system based on giving power to the person that most people don't mind is going to help at all. The idea is that you vote for the person you feel is best placed to represent your constituency - whoever that maybe and whatever party they support. If more people support someone different to your preferred candiate then I'm sorry tough.

Damn you and your logical thinking.

I would be delighted old bean. Suffice to say that to state that a NO vote in this referendum will mean that PR will never happen is just ridiculous. There is no way that you can possibly know that. IIRC it has long been an ideal of both Labour and the Lib Dems. The No vote will win, not because of the succes of the NO campaign, but because the YES campaign don't really want it. Nick Clegg doesn't want AV, and neither do the Labour Party. FPTP suits Labour in some constituencies just as much as it suits the Tories in others. The only party that really benefits from AV or PR are the Lib Dems - and the Lib Dems know that AV makes **** all difference, they'd still be the third minority party.

Problem is admin is the soft target that ever sod is cutting. I work for a LA and we've not cut "front line" staff, just the admin who allow the front line to do their jobs. So we've now got "front line" staff doing the admin. Yes their jobs have been protected, but we're now paying them to sit on their arses typing rather than doing the work they are supposed to. Just plain management short sightedness.

Me too. Chavs and Mockney wannabes.

Its the "FILUM" one that gets me. Mind you I'm not one to talk about accents, it took me 10 years to lose the Northamptonshire accent that had me marked as "posh" in Kent. Posh? Really? Stupid chavy mockney wannabe's.

A No vote will ensure that your first choice will never happen. A Yes vote would have ensured that PR would be an option in the future Bullshit.

And "FILM?"

Say "THREE" BOF....?

The ongoing Irish speech impediment is no excuse!!

Pointless abbreviations........ just seen "2k11" on a another thread. WTF?!?! HOW is that easier than typing 2011? Muppets.

Really? Why on earth?

Oi. You leave us bureaucrats alone. We're not all bad people. :cry:

Sensible man that Wiggy. Less impulse than Gareth.

1) Agreed 2) Nah - looks like she's been hit with a shovel 3)

Dont know whether this is the awesomest or creepiest post ive read in a while! :? There's not a man on this forum that wouldn't have watched. 8)

Dont know whether this is the awesomest or creepiest post ive read in a while! :? There's not a man on this forum that wouldn't have watched. 8)

Watching my next door neighbour's stunning 18 year old daughter dry herself off post shower, and then apply cream to herself whilst I water the garden. I think I'll do more of the watering in future.

Scotland under Craig Levin ---------------1-------------- 2-----3------4------5-----6----7 8----9----10----11

Oh and Baines too. There... thats the car full.

For me its got to be Moyes - he's ready to move on and I don't buy all this "Villa is a sideways step" bullshit. We are a far bigger club than Everton with the resourses to back that up. Everton are always solid and play good football. All our recent games with them have been crackers. Perhaps he'd also like to bring Arteta and Cahill with him as well? Possibly Tim Howard too if he likes and there is room in the car?

People keep putting their fists through it?