jimmygreaves Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 So you would have prefered Ranson then With the information available at the time he was a bloody site better than Ellis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexicon Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I didnt think much of Ranson, to be honest. I think Ellis has done the right thing by playing it to a point where there are competing bidders who actually look like they would almost definitely be a vast improvement, Ranson didnt look like he was up to much, and he was a 'nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 So you would have prefered Ranson then With the information available at the time he was a bloody site better than Ellis! The information was a bit piss poor then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcinwales Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Why slag off Ranson? Do you know anything about the bid, can you tell me what his plan was, could you give me his offer price, his transfer budget, or even a breakdown of how he was to cover the finance on his bid. Do you have any idea of the people he had backing him, or who the two ex Villa players were as part of the bid ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 no but he was an ex blooz player :notsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetcorn Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I can't give you exact figures but I KNOW he didn't have the money to ALSO invest in the team. I, and every other fans (I think :?: ) don't just want somebody who can only buy the club, christ, we might as well stay the same. I don't mind people coming in to make money, but make money because we are doing well! Not because you can sell the land or you think the tv rights are going to go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFart Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Sweetcorn. I can't bothered to wade through all this. Can you just give me a summary of pages 174 to 309, please? And I mean YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 So, according to what he said on the radio, Padfield should have had his discussions with Doug today. Can we expect Rothschild to say 'formal' bids to be bidded by tomorrow or Thursday? They must have some kind of deadline on this? All parties have been discussed to etc, so now it's a matter of those who are interested to bid or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gringo Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Deadlines and timetables and restrictions of future bids only kick in once you do make a formal bid, thus all the prevarification beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Why slag off Ranson? Do you know anything about the bid, can you tell me what his plan was, could you give me his offer price, his transfer budget, or even a breakdown of how he was to cover the finance on his bid. Do you have any idea of the people he had backing him, or who the two ex Villa players were as part of the bid ? Please advise us oh immortal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Why slag off Ranson? Do you know anything about the bid, can you tell me what his plan was, could you give me his offer price, his transfer budget, or even a breakdown of how he was to cover the finance on his bid. Do you have any idea of the people he had backing him, or who the two ex Villa players were as part of the bid ? Please advise us oh immortal one. He doesn't have to. You can't answer that question anymore than Malcolm can. We don't fecking know what was offered so no one can make an INFORMED decision either way. Certainly Doug didn't as he refused to even talk to Ranson about the bid. God bless the power of hindsight eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 God bless the power of hindsight eh? Is it not a wonderful thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilsonrx Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Well we know Ranson offered £47m, but thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Well we know Ranson offered £47m, but thats it. I believe that was the figure that was banded about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I believe that was the figure that was banded about. well, as I recall, the main complaint from the likes of VFC about the way that the Ranson bid was handled wasn't that it was rejected out of hand. The main complaint was that the details of what it was that had been turned down weren't made clear to the stakeholders in the club. To give an extreme example to illustrate why this important Maybe Ranson offered only £47m for the club, but also promised ongoing transfer funding of £200m per year together with plans and funding to completely redevelop the off field facilities and turn the club overnight into the chelsea of the midlands. To turn down such a deal in favour of one which offers £64m for the shares but offers no cash for ongoing development would not be in the interests of the club. So while there are many who claim with religious fervour that recent events show that Doug was right to turn down Ranson, it is my opinion that until such time as the details of all the bids, including that of Ranson, are known, this is not a claim that can justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Villa takeover fight to intensify The battle to take control of Aston Villa is expected to intensify in the next few days despite the club showing a £8.2million pre-tax loss. American billionaire Randy Lerner and the consortium fronted by life-long Villa fan Michael Neville are still keen on buying the Midlands club. Lerner, the owner of NFL side Cleveland Browns, remains the apparent favourite and a personal fortune of 1.4billion means he is undeterred by Villa's loss for the year ending May 31, 2006 which followed a profit of £3million for the previous 12 months. The 44-year-old has shied away from any publicity since his first meeting with Villa chairman Doug Ellis a fortnight ago when he appeared to have pulled out of the deal. But sources close to the Lerner camp are adamant this tactic was a "smokescreen" to enable Lerner to get on with the task of buying Villa away from the media spotlight. He has spoken again with Villa and their financial advisers Rothschild with a formal bid expected to be submitted sooner rather than later. Neville is adamant he has the financial backing in place to match Ellis' £64million valuation of Villa. But the possibility remains of the Solihull businessman joining forces with the consortium known as AV06 which is fronted by deputy judge Nicholas Padfield QC and talks are planned between the two groups. Despite the losses, new Villa boss Martin O'Neill has been promised funds to cover the interim period before new owners arrive at Villa Park. O'Neill is stepping up attempts to bring in £5million-rated Celtic midfielder Stilian Petrov and there are suggestions the Bulgarian may fly out to Villa's pre-season tour of Holland if the deal is pushed through by the weekend. Unsurprisingly Villa's latest financial figures have not impressed shareholders and supporters. Jonathan Feat, chairman of the Villa Shareholders' Association, said: "It is another indication of why Mr Ellis should now leave Aston Villa and allow new owners with fresh ideas to take control." Villa's gates dropped by 8.7% in 2005-2006 after a poor season saw them finish in 16th place in the Premiership. Fear added: "David O'Leary was never popular with many of the fans and many of them voted with their feet by staying away from Villa Park. "The combination of Mr O'Leary and Mr Ellis was a recipe for disaster. "Hopefully now things will turn around with a new manager in Martin O'Neill, who was the fans' number one choice, and a new consortium hopefully taking over in the near future." Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runetune Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Thats for that report Jez. Interesting to read it was a smokescreen. A few of us right at the beginning wondered if the pulling away was as straightforward as it seemed....... and questioned whether someone as experienced in business as Lerner would walk away like that regardless of Ellis. Like many of us questioned whether the 3 being shown around the training ground were with Lerner, despite the denials they were nothing to do with him - perhaps a similar tactic being shown. So - if this is an accurate report (and who knows really) then it would most certainly explain what happened. I certainly have no doubt that at least 2 consortia (Still and Lerner) are both in the race. All we have now is to wait and see who wins it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfcinwales Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 As Blandy has said and others confirmed, it may have been a smokescreen, but he originally not only walked away in disgust he also passed on a few choice words to Ellis which included a demand for an apology from Rothschilds. If he really is back in contention, and I've yet to see solid proof he is, then its only because of Rothschilds efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myb Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 As Blandy has said and others confirmed, it may have been a smokescreen, but he originally not only walked away in disgust he also passed on a few choice words to Ellis which included a demand for an apology from Rothschilds. If he really is back in contention, and I've yet to see solid proof he is, then its only because of Rothschilds efforts. i think we've never seen proof he actually did pull out, or, if we being pedantic, that he actually was interested!! Since the alleged withdrawal we've had *actual* comments about there being "opportunities" in relation to a question about AVFC which to me suggests the interest remained. Whether it has intensified or cooled a little following the meeting with Doug remains to be seen. The only reassuring thing in my opinion is the deafening silence comeing from all parties at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Villa takeover battle set to heat up Aug 9 2006 THE battle to take control of Aston Villa is expected to intensify in the next few days despite the club showing a £8.2million pre-tax loss for the year ending May 31, 2006. American billionaire Randy Lerner and the consortium fronted by life-long Villa fan Michael Neville are still keen on buying the club. Lerner, the owner of NFL side Cleveland Browns, remains the apparent favourite and a personal fortune of 1.4billion means he is undeterred by Villa's loss which followed a profit of £3million for the previous 12 months. The 44-year-old has shied away from any publicity since his first meeting with Villa chairman Doug Ellis a fortnight ago when he appeared to have pulled out of the deal. But sources close to the Lerner camp are adamant this tactic was a "smokescreen" to enable Lerner to get on with the task of buying Villa away from the media spotlight. He has spoken again with Villa and their financial advisers Rothschild with a formal bid expected to be submitted sooner rather than later. Neville is adamant he has the financial backing in place to match Ellis's £64million valuation of Villa. But the possibility remains of the Solihull businessman joining forces with the consortium known as AV06 which is fronted by deputy judge Nicholas Padfield QC and talks are planned between the two groups. Despite the losses, new Villa boss Martin O'Neill has been promised funds to cover the interim period before new owners arrive at Villa Park. O'Neill is stepping up attempts to bring in £5million-rated Celtic midfielder Stilian Petrov and there are suggestions the Bulgarian may fly out to Villa's pre-season tour of Holland if the deal is pushed through by the weekend. Unsurprisingly Villa's latest financial figures have not impressed shareholders and supporters. Jonathan Fear, chairman of the Villa Shareholders' Association, said: "It is another indication of why Mr Ellis should now leave Aston Villa and allow new owners with fresh ideas to take control." Villa's gates dropped by 8.7% in 2005-2006 after a poor season saw them finish in 16th place in the Premiership. Fear added: "David O'Leary was never popular with many of the fans and many of them voted with their feet by staying away from Villa Park. "The combination of Mr O'Leary and Mr Ellis was a recipe for disaster. "Hopefully now things will turn around with a new manager in Martin O'Neill, who was the fans' number one choice, and a new consortium hopefully taking over in the near future." Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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