WhatAboutTheFinish

They are going to offer him a move to Director of Football. 

30 minutes ago, terrytini said:

Do we need stability ? I’ve heard we’ve needed that for a while now...maybe we need the opposite ? Maybe we need to stop fretting , worrying, and calming down, and instead need energising, and driving on forward ?

 

Sold!

Definitely voting for Brexit in a second referendum now! 

7 minutes ago, snowychap said:

That's a mile and a half away from 'soaring'.

If the market had dropped 3% would the adjectives plummeted, dived or tanked been ok to use?

5 minutes ago, blandy said:

It's all semsantics really, but the way I look at it, a very brief spike is what occurred - there was no enduring or more than incredibly fleeting impact on currency resulting from that speech. If the speech signalled some significant re-alignment the currency shift would have lasted longer than a few hours, wouldn't it? Johnson is a bell.

Johnson may well be a bell but that doesn’t mean we should try to bend facts to make the case. The tweet implies that the market didn’t react positively to the Lancaster House speech whereas in fact more than 24 hours later the pound was still trading up over 3%. This would suggest that the market saw the speech, even on cool reflection, as largely positive. 

On 18/07/2018 at 17:33, StefanAVFC said:

Facts just don't matter.

Well they kind of do. This idiot has tried to take the prices at the close of business and use them for his comparison. The pound opened at $1.20 on January 17 (before the speech) and closed at $1.24 (after the speech). I think, as a guy who has worked in commodities, that a 4 cent movement in a single day can legitimately be described as ‘soaring’.

29 minutes ago, Xann said:

Hang On... Link from Guy Verhofstadt's Facebook...

 

Euro News

Grist to the mill of anyone who has long argued that the EU has an end game... the superstate. 

Wish they would just be honest enough about it to table the idea and debate it properly. Maybe that could then form the basis for the question on the second referendum? 

3 hours ago, Chindie said:

I hope they all suffer.

4 minutes ago, Brumerican said:

The rubber lion is a warm welcome to us colour blind folk.

 

Is that some kind of euphemism?

23 hours ago, Xela said:

Because they were alcoholics and drug addicts? I'm sure rational thought goes out the window. 

That’s the problem with Novichok...very moreish! 

@bickster @a m ole

I refer the honourable gentlemen to my previous answer.

On 14/07/2018 at 11:16, WhatAboutTheFinish said:

Today’s protests (anti Trump, anti Brexit etc) do seem to be more about the product of a system as opposed to the changing the system itself...which to some, myself included, does seem somewhat pointless.

If people were out on the streets demanding referendums were outlawed as a way determining government policy or proposing an alternative to the electoral college system (although why anyone would want to protest that in the UK I’m not sure) then maybe it would make more sense. 

2 hours ago, ml1dch said:

Sounds good. And for the four years in between, everyone just shuts up?

2 hours ago, Keyblade said:

You know you can even criticize a president you voted for too right? I didn't realize being elected shielded you from criticism and protest.

Hey I’m not suggesting that people are above criticism but I do feel the way that debate is framed is quite important.

Under the two party syestems we have in the UK and US we all know that there are people on both sides of the political spectrum that ne’er the twain shall meet. Elections are ultimately decided by quite a small percentage, maybe 10%, of the population who are willing to change their votes. So, in my eyes, people should consider whether taking to the streets to mock, ridicule and denounce their previous choice is the best method to make these people change or does it entrench them further into their position?

Either way, in order for Trump to be removed from office at the next election, the Democrats are going to have to rely on the support of at least some of the f**king moronic facist apologists (as they’ve been labelled over the last few pages) that voted for Trump last time.

7 hours ago, maqroll said:

Whether people choose to admit it or not, Britain and the USA have very strong linguistic and cultural bonds, and what happens one one side of the Atlantic often has pertinence on the other side. British Muslims are facing extreme prejudice from entering the USA, and some American Muslims might be feeling restricted from re-entering the country...which would be just cause in and of itself to protest the architect of the policy of banning a religion.. In an era in which Ireland (gasp) has legalized abortion, the United States is a judicial appointment away from outlawing the practice. Worth protesting. His shockingly inhumane treatment of Central American and Mexican migrants is worth protesting. His diabolical trashing of historic alliances is worth protesting. His collusion with Moscow to steal the US election is worth protesting. His insults, lies, threats against the press, his disinformation, his stoking of racial tension, his ignorance and his misogyny are all worth protesting and I'm really glad to see so many Brits out in the streets doing just that.

If only the Americans could create some sort of environment where these topics could be discussed freely and then devise some sort of system where every person is given the chance to have an equal say in order to reach a consensus on the direction they want the country as a whole to take. Might be a good idea, as a safeguard, to give everybody the opportunity to change that direction,should they so wish, after a set period of time. Every four years might be good.

The semi final excitement seems a long way off now. P7 W3 L3 D1*. Pretty average stats for an average looking side against the quality teams. Far from convinced it’s the beginning of something great.

Really enjoyed the run whilst it lasted though so kudos to them for that.

(*Im counting the Columbia game as the draw in case anyone was wondering) 

16 minutes ago, terrytini said:

If only all these people at the Berlin Wall and across Eastern Europe had realised marching and protesting was so pointless. If only Emily Pankhurst had realised waving a placard was a waste of time.

If only the Tolpuddle martyrs had known that long walk was about as useful as Gandhi’s walk to the sea, or Rosa Parks sitting in the wrong seat.

If only Martin Luther King had had the sense to tell all those people marching in Washington that firstly they were hypocrites because they hadn’t marched about other things, secondly they had no real merit because millions of other people didn’t join in, and thirdly that marching never achieved anything.

All these silly “scum” causing all these problems in the world....if only they’d not bothered, or listened to those who sneered at them.

Good grief, Ive read some stuff on here that I’ve disagreed with, sometimes passionately, but I’ve never read anything that has managed to simultaneously excel in ignorance of facts, history, protest, and politics, whilst at the same time displaying such deplorable and arrogant sentiments towards others.

Luckily, such sentiments only strengthen the resolve of others to do, in whatever way they can, all manner of things to expose and weaken them.

In all the examples you’ve given the protesters proposed a change to the system. Today’s protests (anti Trump, anti Brexit etc) do seem to be more about the product of a system as opposed to the changing the system itself...which to some, myself included, does seem somewhat pointless.

If people were out on the streets demanding referendums were outlawed as a way determining government policy or proposing an alternative to the electoral college system (although why anyone would want to protest that in the UK I’m not sure) then maybe it would make more sense. 

1 hour ago, il_serpente said:

Speaking from my own experience in the past, I came home thinking, among other things:

1.  Despite the incredible concentration of power in the hands of ruling elite, they've been reminded that they can't entirely discount the opinions of the people without at least some repercussions.

2.  People who feel the same as me but fear they are alone and are afraid to speak out have been reassured that there are others on their side.

I’m really trying but I still don’t get it. Surely people who are anti Trump can’t argue that their views are not being represented in the U.K. parliament, US congress or in the media. Criticism of him is everywhere you turn. So why would people protesting yesterday or this weekend either feel that their opinion is being discounted or need reassurance they are not alone? 

6 hours ago, Xann said:

You see no link between apathy towards politics and the current f**ked up situation in the UK?

Politicians fear us in numbers, when we're looking at them.

I’m not sure it’s that I don’t see the problem with apathy, I guess I may have a different definition of what ‘engaging’ with politics actually means.

As a person who has never attended a protest or made a banner in my life, my wonderment came from what motivates people (and you may be well placed to give me an inkling on this) to attend this type of event?

Do they get home and think ‘Wow, I really made a difference to the way global politics is being shaped today’ or is it more ‘Well  we went out and did some shouting with loads of people I don’t know about the same thing, good atmosphere, great buzz’ (pretty much like going to the football)?

47 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

And there's 250,000 there.

that's stunning for a weekday protest

Stunning because they must realise it will make absolutely zero difference to Trump. Zero difference to US foreign policy, zero difference to US domestic policy and next to zero difference to UK policy. 

I’m stunned so many people can’t find something better to do with their time! 

3 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

 

Looks like he’s been on the sciatica again... must find out where I can get a bottle. 

20 hours ago, BOF said:

Sacha Baron Cohen's new series "Who Is America?" starts next Monday on Channel 4.

Can. Not. Wait.

^ See Trump promoting it above  

 

Prepared to give this a shot but not really looking forward to it. I loved Ali G and early Borat but the joke is 20 years old now, how many ways can it be rehashed? Funny and innovative at the time, seems a little smug and self serving now?! 

Ref has got no control of this game.

Henderson...complete cockwomble! 

2 hours ago, villa89 said:

His ego far outweighs his actual ability as a businessman. 

Oh yeah...that self made billionaire, terrible at business

7 hours ago, omariqy said:

At work we would be stopping trading on his accounts and resigning him as a client right now. Dooooddddggggyyy. 

Whereas the people who have full access to his financial position instead of just reading stuff in the papers seem to have been prepared to purportedly advance him 50 million quid.

Seems at odds. 

33 minutes ago, Darth Villa said:

He was meant to have £500m cash in UK accounts

A Chinese man with an estimated worth of around a billion dollars was meant to have 3/4 of his wealth in cash, in the UK.

Let’s just take a step back and consider how likely that is in ANY scenario...regardless of what has been read.