WhatAboutTheFinish

1 hour ago, A'Villan said:

Excited to watch a documentary on Nikola Tesla tonight.

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I’m going to be watching a documentary on Søren Absalon Larsen.

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6 hours ago, Jareth said:

Sounds like everton fans about Wyness. Why is it so hard in this game to get decent staff!!!

Football is like politics, nearly every career has to end in failure. Just part of the territory. 

38 minutes ago, blandy said:

 

 

Hang on! That owl looks like it has paws, like a dog or a cat. Surely they don’t have padded feet do they? 

That’s 31 of their last 62 innings that they’ve been 4 wickets down for less than 100. Every other innings! Horror stats. 

Recently blasted through all four seasons of Rectify. Really enjoyed it, gripping drama but don’t expect any action. 

Have also seen the documentary series The Keepers, the two shows together certainly get you thinking about the reliability of memory. 

1 hour ago, Czechlad said:

You're asking why isn't he playing a different style than all of last season because we signed a new player? 

Conor is a passer. He will run around midfield, but he isn't a good defensive option like McGinn. If you want someone to feed the strikers, you go for Conor. If you want a more complete midfielder, you go for McGinn. 

I not asking him to become a different type of player but I am expecting more intensity to his game. If your argument is that his passing game is so good that’s all he needs to bring then I don’t buy it. Jan Molby he ain’t! 

I would have thought that having seen the energy and vibrancy that McGinn has brought to the midfield it would have sparked Conor to try to emulate or better when he gets a chance. Doesn’t seem to be happening, looked bordering on surly and disinterested today. 

I’ve always been supportive but just felt today that the Kodjia/Taylor substitution was a horrible, horrible decision. Both for the message it sent out and the fact that the last thing you need at that stage of the game is the defence worrying about reorganising and who is covering what.

10 minutes ago, blandy said:

She’s just this Sheila he married, I think.

And when he says Sheila...he means 15 year old! 

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

So, in the argument you have been pursing in response to Stefan's post, you maintain that Brexiteers (who reject economic arguments against it) must view leaving the EU and the abolition of slavery as sufficiently close substitutes (in terms of righteous pursuits)?

As @chrisp65said, it's novel.

No. And you know that.

26 minutes ago, blandy said:

Well, yes, I share the view that the UK political system, and the West generally has a broken model. Our system in the UK isn't fit for purpose. It gives complete control to a single party where the majority votes against that party. Where the SNP can get 50 seats with fewer votes than the UKIPs who get no seats, where smaller parties (in vote share) are under represented and larger ones over represented. SO the issues that UKIPs or Green or whatever voters want addressed get swamped under the juggernaut of Tory or Labour interests and the tribal Red v Blue above country nature of it.

Leaving the EU affects that not one jot, sadly. In fact I'd go so far as to say sorting out our own house and then with a better system in place, having a period of proper scrutiny and debate of EU membership (not a bus, based lie v fear war to try and shut down internal tory party squabbles) would be be much better.

Further, as a ornry citizen, whether laws are drafted by an EU commissioner(s) or a UK civil servant is of no consequence at all. Whether the arcane house of lords or Commons, the European Parliament, the WTO, NATO, the G7, the ICAO or any one of a gazzilion other bodies decides upon the path to take, or what is or isn't legal or acceptable - well I don't vote for any of them, apart from theoretically my MP or MEP. The world is well past sovereignty residing solely within a nation's borders.

The notion that "burn it all down" is a viable solution to the UK's or the World's problems is deluded, unless you have a clear idea of what you replace it with. You (someone) can of course promise "it'll be fine, hopey-changey, new dawn type stuff" but not having the vaguest grip on reality (I'm looking at Mogg, Johnson, Davis, Fox etc here)  before promising the moon on a stick might be a clue that these hopey-changey types are snake oil salesmen at best, looking to make a buck out of a fake cure.

And as Scott has said, there's much where the EU has really been of benefit to the UK. Real examples of where the UK in isolation has been persuaded or even forced to do things to benefit us ornry folk. To stop poisoning us, to make travel easier, to bring down prices etc.

Probably slightly of topic but I’m a big advocate of eradicating the idea of voting and just have our MP’s elected at random from the general population. This should see an end to party politics, encourage individual thought and see a government that is truly representative of all sections of society whilst being very hard to corrupt.

7 minutes ago, PompeyVillan said:

Slavery is abhorrent. 

I’m glad you understand that. I hope that you also understand that no matter how many economic arguments that I can put forward for the benefits of slavery you will still hold, that very correct, understanding right? For me to even try it, would be ridiculous.

And with those who are opposed to a system of government that has been introduced by stealth and continues a power creep that is systematically removing the significance of individuals under its new quasi-democracy, if you just shout gdp numbers at them...it’s not going to make a difference.

Personally I’m all for a second referendum, although it should be based around, here are two proposed systems of government, one as part of EU, one not. What the areas of governmental responsibility are and where ultimate responsibility and control of those areas lie. Take your pick. I could get behind that but I find it much harder to take the economic forearm across your throat method of persusion.

Oh, and just in case it wasn’t obvious I’m coming out as a loud and proud swivel eyed loon!

32 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to pay for principles. I just don't see where we are gaining any. 

And there we have it, who gets the monopoly on what principles are worth paying for? I think my initial post was a response to how ‘ideology’ is somehow now a bad thing if it’s an economic detriment.

*The VT thread on the abolition of slavery*

W1lbur: I think we should get rid of this slavery thing.

VTM@b: What?! You swivel eyed loon! Haven’t you read the economic reports on what that would do to the economy. Entire industries are going to be decimated. Cotton, rubber, tea, sugar...prices are going to rocket. Farmers are going to go out of business, not to mention all those shipping companies, this is going to cost people jobs! The cotton shortage is going to mean hospitals can’t get enough clean sheets. Is that what you want, people dying in dirty bedsheets? And what about if this leads to the end of the empire, what are we going to do then? It’s a sorry day that my children might not know the pleasure of being able to travel, live and work in two thirds of the globe without having to apply for a visa. And a hard border between India and Pakistan, how are you going to prevent that happening with your gammon faced abolition and freedom?

W1lbur: I just think that all we shouldn’t perpetuate a system that removes all power from individuals.

VTM@b: Oh, so it’s ideology at any cost then.

4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

So it's ideology at any cost then.

I love how given the tone of most of the other Bolitics threads on VT and...how shall I say...the slightly left of centre views of the majority of posters, how when it comes to the EU that financial self interest is suddenly the bastion of all political decision making   

Thought he did ok last night but unless commentators can learn to at least have a stab at pronouncing his surname correctly I hope for the sake of my tv screen he gets dropped because I can’t stand stand the frustration! 

On 18/08/2018 at 16:27, A'Villan said:

...and Auntie tells me I'm her hero and thanks me about five times between 'oh my gods', then tells her nieces to thank me.

So!? How did they thank you?

On 16/08/2018 at 00:14, bickster said:

Wait until they discover that British driving licences might not be recognised in EU countries

Just out of interest what other countries’ driving licenses do the EU refuse to recognise? 

I can’t help but feel really disappointed in the decision to put Stokes straight back into the team. Totally agree with most of the above, he should have been made to play his way back into a winning side. Unfortunately the England team seems increasingly split between the untouchables and the rest. 

“"If the law supposes that," said Mr. Bumble, squeezing his hat emphatically in both hands, "the law is a ass — a idiot.””

David Lloyd’s take? 

On 24/05/2018 at 01:15, The_Rev said:

 

Gotta love trains. 

They should rebrand this as a prequel to Ever Decreasing Circles, Howard & Hilda’s back story.

1 minute ago, terrytini said:

Is that true ?

Yeah I’m pretty sure I read it earlier today on one of the news sites. Incredible isn’t it?! 

7 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said:

When did we last win the first three?

62/63 season! 

^ I think you two otter be thrown out for those efforts.

All this talk of music but I still can’t believe that there are areas of the U.K. where people put ketchup on chips from the chip shop! Who are these people?! 

I always thought that the Tom Hanks film Big was just a movie, please don’t tell me it’s actually a documentary and the U.K. is full of 9 year olds inside adult bodies.