suttonpaul

We have more points at home this year than the last two years............ How many more points? The point was that it isn't the worst season at home in 140 years. Far from it

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We have more points at home this year than the last two years............

Man City are going to challenge the judgement according to the Telegraph tonight however apparently they are the only one of the nine clubs sanctions will be imposed upon are willing to challenge it. Says the other 8 are taking UEFA's rule as gospel and don't think they can win......?

You could even say of our four most expensive signings over the last 3 years and the only ones we have spent significant money on 2 were out all season and 2 were out for half a season

10 % of 50 billion is 5 billion, which is invested elsewhere. So, the guy could easily to free up enough cash to make us winners without touching his precious creation. Please don't argue otherwise. Errr I didn't..........

How much heavier can it get? fine them 100m? lol check out the Lerner thread FFP was spoken about in there today.

As FFP is back on the agenda....... My view is that following Man City are apparently going to get limited by how many players they can register for the champions league to 18 or 21 instead of 25 and also get a fine of between 40 and 60m. These are very serious consequences! However the fine doesn't go on the companies books so it doesn't show for the next FFP test, and they aren't banned from Europe so they can still get their TV revenue. So what does this tell us? Well a lot and not a lot. A lot, that we know what they are throwing at clubs when they are throwing the book at them, the size of fines involved and it gives parameters of what to expect if you break the rules to that extent. Not a lot, when you consider who gets that money? What happens if it happens to be a Leeds scenario and they can't afford to pay it? What happens if you break the rules again? Which begs the question........... Is this all legal? Is it legal to limit investment in playing costs? Is it legal to limit wages via total wages at a club? Is it legal via UK or EU law? Is it likely that the clubs will appeal these sanctions? Yes is the answer to the last one and don't know is the answer to the rest of them. So where does this leave us? Well that depends on our owner. If it is Lerner then we are fine, we are a break even whilst we have these current wages whilst spending 20m a year on players but that will only last a few years. New players bring new wages and once that 200k ish from the bomb squad has gone off the books to keep us balanced we will have to take into account the players wages we are signing from the next years budget. This leaves us needing our stadium to be sponsored to hold that off for a couple of years and we see where we are at that point to see how to move forward. We will be probably much better off from where we are now. If it is a new owner and he happens to throw Abramovic money around then we will need to all become mini lawyers to understand what is going on with all this UEFA FFP stuff. As a last personal point it's interesting to think about FFP and why it is around. We can be cynical to say its to close shop on the elite group of clubs that currently exist but I don't believe that. I think it is to get clubs to break even and curb players wages so that the financial side of football can brought back under some sort of control and clubs will continue to 'always' exist in the future and not do a Leeds or Portsmouth. I think however this could have been done better. If an Abramovic figure wants to invest in a club like what has happened at Chelsea or City then good on them and let them. However no debt can be put on the club and the owner must fund everything over break even by injecting equity into the club so that is all debt problems sorted and with regards to wages a rule could have been put into place saying anything over 70% of turnover for example would have to be guaranteed by that owner for the length of the current players contracts in some sort of bond with the FA. Just my two pence.

Ellison is giving away 95% of his wealth at the time of his death so he isn't a pauper billionaire. He is a man however who has well over 90% of his wealth tied up in Oracle stock.

Depends really, from corporate stuff it would be right to move but being realistic when you can add 20000 seats to your current ground it kind of says what's the point.

You missed the third option of getting the books balanced so the club can move forward sustainably under the current ownership which is the one they are referring to.

I don't disagree with anything you've saidI do. I think it will get challenged straight away. I think many people on this thread want a Man City scenario repeated when the reality is they have been found guilty of breaching the FFP criteria and will be fined up to 40mil. They and anyone else in breach should be docked considerable points but we know that will never happen. If anything the Lerner approach is the way to go IMOIMO a new owner could come during the summer and spend £40m to £50m on the playing side and make a considerable difference to the team without falling foul of FFP by making a few clever commercial changes?Lerner may do that if the finances are in order.We'll have to wait to see what he says over the next week or two I suppose? None of us know if the finances are in order though do we until the accounts appear next year? Will Lerner spend wisely though?This years accounts are fineCould you post them up here then as you have seen them? It says wages are the same and there's an increase in TV money that covers losses from before and puts us in the black a few million, smart arse As the reported loss was £50m last year you are therefore saying that the TV money is £50m more this year? That's a lot more than is being reported increases? You making massive assumptions because you have read last years accounts does not make anything true, unless you the accountant at the Villa? I am not being a smart arse just pointing out that your amateur adding up does not mean you have the right to make statements as if they are gospel! Until the accounts are published I for one will not be relying on you for financial information when you are not privy to the actual information. You might want to re read the thread where we all talked about the accounts the loss was more like 20m in real terms If I ever have a bout of insomnia I may well do! How can a £50m loss be £20m in real terms? Have you even passed your GCSE in maths? Yep and what I do also heavily deals in statistics. That aside it is people who are accountants that came to that conclusion.

I don't disagree with anything you've saidI do. I think it will get challenged straight away. I think many people on this thread want a Man City scenario repeated when the reality is they have been found guilty of breaching the FFP criteria and will be fined up to 40mil. They and anyone else in breach should be docked considerable points but we know that will never happen. If anything the Lerner approach is the way to go IMOIMO a new owner could come during the summer and spend £40m to £50m on the playing side and make a considerable difference to the team without falling foul of FFP by making a few clever commercial changes?Lerner may do that if the finances are in order.We'll have to wait to see what he says over the next week or two I suppose? None of us know if the finances are in order though do we until the accounts appear next year? Will Lerner spend wisely though?This years accounts are fineCould you post them up here then as you have seen them? It says wages are the same and there's an increase in TV money that covers losses from before and puts us in the black a few million, smart arse As the reported loss was £50m last year you are therefore saying that the TV money is £50m more this year? That's a lot more than is being reported increases? You making massive assumptions because you have read last years accounts does not make anything true, unless you the accountant at the Villa? I am not being a smart arse just pointing out that your amateur adding up does not mean you have the right to make statements as if they are gospel! Until the accounts are published I for one will not be relying on you for financial information when you are not privy to the actual information. You might want to re read the thread where we all talked about the accounts the loss was more like 20m in real terms

who is rode Jung and Vogt ??? The first one my thoughts exactly

I don't disagree with anything you've said I do. I think it will get challenged straight away. I think many people on this thread want a Man City scenario repeated when the reality is they have been found guilty of breaching the FFP criteria and will be fined up to 40mil. They and anyone else in breach should be docked considerable points but we know that will never happen. If anything the Lerner approach is the way to go IMOIMO a new owner could come during the summer and spend £40m to £50m on the playing side and make a considerable difference to the team without falling foul of FFP by making a few clever commercial changes?Lerner may do that if the finances are in order.We'll have to wait to see what he says over the next week or two I suppose? None of us know if the finances are in order though do we until the accounts appear next year? Will Lerner spend wisely though?This years accounts are fine Could you post them up here then as you have seen them? It says wages are the same and there's an increase in TV money that covers losses from before and puts us in the black a few million, smart arse

I don't disagree with anything you've said I do. I think it will get challenged straight away. I think many people on this thread want a Man City scenario repeated when the reality is they have been found guilty of breaching the FFP criteria and will be fined up to 40mil. They and anyone else in breach should be docked considerable points but we know that will never happen. If anything the Lerner approach is the way to go IMO IMO a new owner could come during the summer and spend £40m to £50m on the playing side and make a considerable difference to the team without falling foul of FFP by making a few clever commercial changes? Lerner may do that if the finances are in order. We'll have to wait to see what he says over the next week or two I suppose? None of us know if the finances are in order though do we until the accounts appear next year? Will Lerner spend wisely though? This years accounts are fine

In that scenario the owner you want is Lerner as that is the other choice.

I won't I couldn't care less what happens over the next two games the summer is all that counts

Maybe but about 15m in fees and under this scenario expect out bill to triple or quadruple

That's a fairly rubbish team. Richards Lescott Young Jesus wept Stepping stone players who are far better than what we have and not too pricey

Under the guise of someone buying us who has stupid wealth and willing to invest it I would like to see.... Ryan Bertrand, Micah Richards, Ashley Williams/Joleon Lescott, Ashley Young, James Milner, Mousa Dembele and Demba Ba come in. The reason I have listed these players is they are all from the Premier League already so can hit the ground running and you don't go from where we are to buying Messi over night there are stepping stone players. On top of this lower the ground add seats to all the stands and build the new North Stand. From there we can become a mega club. One can dream.

I'd prescribe something but I haven't passed those exams yet

No that was the year before this one and anyone can argue we have over 200k a week once a sucker club comes in for anyone from the bomb squad or the contract runs out they aren't part of PL's squad anyway

No width in that team

I disagree he isn't a great team builder but that isn't the point I logged into to post on. Reuters ran a story half an hour ago saying Lerner will release a statement after the game at the weekend. I trust Reuters so that is when the statement will be given.