VillanousOne

I wouldn't be surprised if Heskey, Collins and Bent all start as McCleish talks a load of bollocks when it comes to injuries and availability. Apparently if the opposition don't know what side is available to bore them to death then they might score one less goal past us from a set piece in the resulting thirty seconds of mild bewilderment.

Delf deserves a second start and Bannan is all we have in the middle that can pass forward. Guzan Hutton Dunne Clark Warnock Albrighton Petrov Bannan Nzogbia Delfouneso Agbonlahor

Collins is injured isn't he?

You must have been watching a different game, he actually showed decent movement and passing and looked hungry for it, he touched the ball more times in one game than Bent will the entire season, but he has hardly had time to adjust to the tactics and players around him, who on their day looked pretty clueless. I wouldn't mind seeing him up front with Bent and Gabby on the wing, but only if injuries dictated.

he failed to hold onto possession for more than two seconds yesterday in fact i have never seen a player find more comedy ways to lose the ball in a villa shirt, much as i want him to succeed i would ship him out on loan sharpish and get Gary Gardener back or play Clark there.

I have no love for McLeish but i don't agree with the above, the players were poor and no amount of coaching or tactics could change that. The long hoof tactics weren't there and we tried to keep possession and pass, but there was only really Delf holding the ball up and ushering us fwd, Delph lost the ball after about two seconds, Zog just took on two many men and Albrighton toiled but with little success. At the end of the day our defence let us down, the rest of the players were average but that is what they are average players playing average football.

delph couldn't keep hold of the ball if he was the only player on the pitch!

if only delf and nzog could get past the last man, if only the commentators could go three seconds without praising liverpool

i want to just say that although our defence have been horsehit we dont look too bad going fwd - even if we are unlikely to get anything out of this.

I know Luke Young wanted to go back to London but did we really swap probably our best defender for a bald fifth choice prem reject?

probably the latter surely? I just so sick of seeing Hutton, Collins and Heskey play - they would struggle to get a game in league one. Delf in 25 mins has offered more going fwd than Heskey ever has and Clark and Cuellar rot on the sidelines! the commentator just said we play zonal marking? Surely that blew up in our face with Houllier in charge!!!!

Our best players out, a defence that couldn't defend against a sunday football team, and the press will be sucking off King Kenny all week about how **** great he is and they are. i am just **** sick of us making it so easy for the top sides, we don't even compete we just role over lube up and say 'go head as many times as you want it'

If he doesn't give Delf his chance then there is really no point in having Nathan in the team. -------Bent -------------Ireland Zog------Petrov-----Herd-----Albrighton Warnock-----Dunne----Elmer Fudd----Hutton or be nice to have Ireland (or maybe Bannan) behind Bent, i can see a mistake by Elmer Fudd handing at least one goal to Liverpool on a plate after Hutton fails to close down yet another attack. please not Heskey!

didn't McCleish say that he would drop defenders if we keep letting in stupid goals, in which case how the **** is Collins and Hutton still in the team? we should play: Guzan Cuellar Clark Dunne Warnock Ireland Petrov Bannan Zog Bent Gabby Clark won't hoof it, Cuellar can defend and Ireland might actually keep possesion longer than 3 seconds. the team we will lose with will be Guzan Hutton Elmer Fudd Dunne Warnock Heskey Petrov Herd Zog Bent Gabby goodbye 3 points

our team sheet has been leaked ------------Heskey Heskey Heskey Heskey Heskey ----Heskey Heskey Heskey --Heskey-- -------------- Heskey subs: Heskey, Heskey, Heskey, Heskey, Heskey. There are some doubts over the fitness of Heskey so Heskey might have to fill in. Looking at the above i'm surprised Heskey got picked over Heskey, but at least Eck has given Heskey another chance. I would have given Heskey a go though.

Given: 7 Kept us in the match Hutton: 5 Improved in the second half but still a utter liability, could have had a straight red! Collins: 5 Defended ok 90% of the time but that 10% usually means a goal for the other team, thank God Lita is shite! Dunne: 6 Too many rash/needless challenges but otherwise ok! Warnock: 6 Was often out best hope going fwd and was ok but by no means great defending Delph: 4 I lost count how many times he gave possession away or miscontrolled the ball, was better in the first half but still incapable of a fwd pass Herd: 5 Better than Delph but again just passes backwards or sideways. Heskey: 4 - I just don't understand what he offers the team, he doesn't track back, he wins a few headers is clueless going forward WTF! Nzogbia: 5 - Seems to have got worse from the last few starts he made, loses possession too easily and has no final ball Gabby: 8 - Our only credible threat - was great again today Bent: 5 - Starved of service but when he did get some he didn't come even close subs: Jenas 6 - Looks tidier and reads the game well - looks so much better than Herd or Delph Bannan 7 - every pass opened up Swansea and was a fwd ball, has to start simple as that. Eck: 4 - Swansea away should not be a game we are scared of losing and yet thats how he sets up the team.

in steps elmer fudd to try and throw the game away

why wasn't bannan on sooner!

Bannan for Delph, shouldn't that have happened at half time?

Collins gets turned easier than butter in a desert

i liked it when we played decent passing football

no-one wants to pass to Delph as passing to him means loss of possession

McCleish could turn Messi into Robbie Savage

now nzogbia playing like a non-league player, fun times

but will we ever learn and will anything ever change????