Neil

I hope he doesn't see it like that, he needs to be striving for improvement and results now to take into the championship. Not capitulate for the rest of the entire season and hope "it'll be alright on the night" in the championship.

Nobody can tell you that, even garde himself I fear.

In the naughty corner with kosak

Lol, pie chart would just show a massive Hutton chunk and not much else.

Sacking would be pointless, so sack him at this point - and then what?

Would say a lot about his character, and not in a good way.

I'll take sherwoods entire run from last season for the rest of this season starting from now.

Simply put "No" as theyve royally **** that up for as long as i can remember with no signs of it changing.

Well there in lies the problem, I'm not really sure what your point is though because all we're saying is play others (players already at the club, including kids) instead of the non-conformists. I'm not sure how that changes anything regarding having to pay them. We have to pay them whether we play them or not, nobody is going to want to buy them whether they play or not...playing more deserving players is getting the best players at our disposal and for the long term of this club on the pitch now.

We need to get ready for the championship, we have players apparently defying the managers orders...why should they get on the pitch? None of what lerner spends, bomb squad or anything counts - the best players should get on the pitch and best includes those who want to play for the badge and follow the managers orders right? We'll instantly get a better team with that calibre of player, if the managers correctly followed plan is actually anything to go by. Honestly, who cares about anything else other than the right players getting on the pitch. You don't just play a defiant shit because you're paying him x amount of money.

I like how you zoom in on this like it stands out from the glut of shite we've hired over the years. We're terrible at recruitment lol.

In reality, who actually cares? Aston Villa only requires a squad of players to fulfill the positions in a starting 11 + bench. They can rot in the reserves until they decide to change their attitude and apply themselves, happens all the time. Players should be winning their position in a side, not just defacto because you pay them money.

Yah, like I say if he plays people who defy him then more fool him. Surely making a champions league team out of kids is his famously mooted forte, so what's to lose?

It's gotten so bad where any clubs we hate we can just send them just about any of our players.

If he's a real believer in his own system, and some are not following orders...change it up to those who will maybe? Can't get any worse, and persisting with players who defy you is just stupid no? I think we actually have a few players more deserved of a chance in many departments, so he's only got himself to blame if he plays players that "don't respect him and hte club".

Agree with both of these, my gut just tells me he hasn't got he minerals and there's nothing in his portfolio to change my gut. Though again, just have to plod on with the guy and hope for the best till the end of season - for want of any better solution really, down is done already.

Not sure what you're suggesting, that even after January and until the end of this entire season we continue our current form under this manager he is hte right man to pull us out of the Championship? I'm going to guess I'm reading this wrong, because that is just utter nonsense.

Honestly, they will probably turn out to be both bad. But persisting with the one that continues to fail you game after game, and strictly ommiting the other that has done nothing wrong to demonstrate he is any worse just smacks of pride before sense. Stubbornness can be the worst trait in anyone.

Yet one stands as a spare goal post, the other has scored goals when he's played in the under 21s. Both are probably shite, but the goal post has done nothing to keep the other out of the team. I'm leaning towards the stubborn fool myself.

Like persisting with Gestede as the only option, even though he isn't. Fine line between a genius who is always right and a stubborn fool...

My gut instinct tells me this, but we're between rock and hard place - our only option is to support him till end of season and hope for the best.

Worth noting, that by observed popular opinion, one of our best players from the early parts of the season has gone to complete shit under the new manager. Not necessary my opinion, just based on what I've read in the Richards thread.

We go again

Bored of wasting my breath, should be getting a game with our current crop against lower league opposition. Surely it's his supposed specialty if all he can bag goals against is inferior opposition like the under 21s. Frustrating, not like he was any worse than anyone in his last 2 second cameo for the first team. Bullshit is what it is.

Primarily yes, along with a string of bad appointments