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I accept, but as I said - there is no occupation in Gaza. They have an Israeli-Free borderline with Egypt which is usually closed due to the hatred between the secular regime in Egypt and the Islamic lunatics of Hammas.

Let's play pretend - what else do you think Israel needs to do in order to bring Hammas to stop seeing it as an entity which should be cleansed? Oh I think the tactic as it stands is pretty close to perfect.There is no way that the recent murder of 100 or so civilians (the exact number is, lets be honest, irrelevant as they are only statistics and human detritus) could possibly lead to new recruits for the murderers on the other side. Current Israeli policy of bombing the poor and the uneducated is brilliant and will, I'm sure, lead to a drop off in recruits looking for revenge. In fact, if only you could kill more of them, quicker, preferably quite young kids, doubtless that would cause the situation to be resolved even quicker. Then, once Israel have killed, say, 50,000 as a nice round number, then that number of killings will clearly cause the other side to switch to tourism infrastructure and leave poor innocent Israel alone. For the record, if you were from the other mad team, I'd pretty much be saying the same thing. On absolutely no account should both sides actually honestly talk to each other for a painful and extended period of time about actually inching towards resolving this situation, that's the last thing the gangsters and murderers and arms salesmen need. If Israel waned to obliterate Gaza - Israel has the ability to do so. You know that as well as I know that. Israel has nothing to gain by killing civilians. On the contrary - it brings up pressure from EU and US. Civilians are being killed as the Hammas wages his war from within populated territories. Hammas knows the world usually counts the bodies and it plays according to these rules. If you store rockets under a school or shoot rockets from a Mosque - the school and the mosque will be bombed to prevent further shootings. BTW, as the Hammas is drawing his own people into the line of fire - it also targets cities in Israel. I have earlier read that more than 1000 rockets and mortar shells were launched from Gaza to Israel. Lucky for us, Israel have the Iron Dome, but what if not? The situation with Hammas cannot be permanently resolved until they'll accept the terms of the quartet, starting with recognizing the right for the state of Israel to exist. They still refer to Israel as "The Zionist Entity"...

These are Naturey Karta (I have no idea how to spell it in English). They are anti Zionist Jews who claim that only the Messiah will bring the Jewish state. From their point of view, the Zionists hamper their desires. That is why you'll find them supporting the Hizbulla or meeting Iranian Leaders, as to show how anti-Israel are they. They are an insignificant minority who are no part of the internal life in Israel.

What they need is a water park and it could be the new Dubai. Instead of mocking me, you should try to figure out how come you fall for such lies. These maps are, at best, falsified. For starters - there was no Palestinian sate in 1946. Only the British Mandate. If you wish to be more accurate, never, in the history of mankind, there was a Palestinian state. There were no "Palestinian territories" as there were no "Jewish territories" in 1946. According to official numbers, the population in this place in 1948 was 1/3 Jews and 2/3 Arabs. Arab majority - no doubt, but this is far, far away from the maps you brought up here. If you want me to go on - there were around 600,000 Jews here in 1948. So, the Arabs were roughly 1.2 Million. Most of this country was barren. The entire triangle shaped land to the south, the Negev, is a desert. The biggest town there was/is BeerSheba which, back then, was a hell hole. Check Wikipedia, there's a nice pic of the city from 1920. Israel currently holds 8 Million people (excluding the west bank and Gaza) and the Negev is half empty, so you're bringing me maps from the time there were 1.9 Million here and paint the Negev as a Palestinian Land?! It was empty! Check pictures of a town called "Um Rashrash". Today it is named "Eilat". When the Israeli forces got to it on 1948 there was nothing but a couple of police shacks. Nothing else. Look up the pics - you'll see for yourselves? Where were the Palestinians there? And for some strange reason, you've skipped the 1947 UN Partition Map, or - in other words - if the UN split the country between the Jews and the Arabs - why there were no Palestinian state in 1948? After all, the during the Israeli independence war, the West Bank and Gaza, which were supposed to be a part of the Palestinian state - were conquered, but not by Israel. Nope. By Jordan and Egypt. So when it was really important - who "stole" the Palestinian Lands? Give me a break. You can totally back the Palestinians up, but at least come up with something reliable to work with.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-07-11/is-hamas-trying-to-get-gazans-killed

But last night there some, right? Last night was 4 days after the fighting began. Last night also included dozens of rockets launched at Israeli cities, including some from Lebanon (strange. I didn't remember we occupied Lebanon as well). So, if reports are true, and the soldiers were on their way to try and cope with the launchers - seems perfectly alright to me.

BTW to all - I do apologize for any English mistakes I make. As you can probably figure out - this is not my first language.

If I am the 3rd person maybe you should conclude that I am bringing up some sort of a common sense, shared by most Israelis here...? Not many Israelis have sympathy or even understand what the hell Hammas is doing. You know, I am running to safe rooms at least twice a day due to the rocket launches from Gaza. Southern cities have this 10 times a day, so you know - while I sit with my wife and 3 kids, waiting for the sirens to go off, I try to figure out things. Try to understand why the hell Hammas is doing this - so all I wrote come up - Israel withdrew its forces, no settlements, IDF is a lot stronger, the Iron Dome prevents most of the missiles to hit their targets. All in all - Hammas has nothing to gain but deaths and destruction of Gaza - why the hell are they doing it!? sheer hate? a greater goal? Let's play pretend - what else do you think Israel needs to do in order to bring Hammas to stop seeing it as an entity which should be cleansed?

Resolution 242 was originally accepted by Israel, but at current times it brings up a some problems: 1. The call for a withdrawal of all occupied territory brings the question - who will get the territories back. Gaza strip was under Egyptian control while Judea and Samaria were under Jordanian. Both countries has no desire to regain control over these territories (King Hussain, 1988). So - who should get these territories? Fatah? Hammas? ISIS? 2. The vague call for a "just solution for the refugee issue" - This is to vague and moreover - it encouraged the Palestinians to call for the Right of Return. In other words - a Jewish-free Palestinian state alongside a Jewish state that will have accept refugees according to a new definition made by the UN especially for the Palestinians (as far as I know, only the Palestinians "enjoy" a unique refugee status which goes by heritage - if you're a refugee, your son is also a refugee and also his grandson, even if they weren't alive in 1948). Israel, under any circumstances, cannot accept the right of return. The Palestinian state should be the home of all Palestinian refugees. 3. Jerusalem - according to some participants, Jerusalem was dropped from 242 resolution on purpose, acknowledging Israel claims for total control over the whole city. The Palestinians refuse to accept this.

This is a huge issue and it is a controversial one even in Israel itself. I think that the settlements has to be divided into two groups - the large and well based one, and the smaller ones. The large ones cannot be just dismantled and in this case, as I see it, should be kept under Israeli control. This should involve land exchanges, so the Palestinians will eventually get their piece of land. You should know there are a couple of other options which rise (ignoring the one claiming "everything is ours and that's that" which I disagree with): 1. Upon a creation of the Palestinian state in Judea and Samaria - the Israeli citizens within the settlements will have the option to stay put and live in the Palestinian state, under Palestinian authority and rules. The Palestinians disagree to this (ignoring the same status which exists in Israel), claiming they want Jewish-free state. 2. Some call not only for a land exchange but also - a population exchange. There are large Arab cities within Israel. The idea is to redraw the border so that the new Palestinian state will include these Israel-Arab cities as well (Um El Fahm, for instance). This solution will help to separate the Israeli-Jews from the Arabs-Muslims and without the need to get anyone out of his actual home. The Arab-Israeli population opposes this completely with all sorts of strange excuses, only due to the fact they don't want to say "well, it's better to live in Israel, under its democracy, then under Palestinian rule". This is a very delicate matter which cannot be solved with "get all Jews out". What with east Jerusalem? Or Gush Ezion (which was occupied by the Jordanians in 1948)? The only way to solve this is by both sides to agree to give up on something. Mind you this does not relate the situation in Gaza as all Israeli settlement in Gaza were dismantled in 2006, as a part of what is called here "The Separation Plan". The idea was to completely withdraw all Israeli presence from Gaza, to let the Gazans run their lives without us. Ever since that day - the failed in doing. Even when it comes to electricity - they are dependent on the Israel Electric Company (and in other words - while they shoot at Israel, they still "enjoy" the electricity coming from... Israel). Some of the claims against the establishment of a Palestinians State originates from what Hammas has done in Gaza. The claim is, sorry for the level of English - we've tried it once and instead of creating a peace loving Gaza nation, the Palestinians in Gaza invested Millions of dollars into armament and fortifications. What if the same happens in Judea and Samaria (and if you know the map of Israel you know what a strategic problem this might be, as the city of Qalqilia, for instance, is about 20 minutes by car From Tel Aviv)? Quite frankly, it bothers me as well. Nothing - nothing!!! - prevented the Hammas to invest in Gaza's coastline, making it an attractive place for tourists. Instead, they dig thousands of underground tunnels (using cement provided by Israel) to be used to store rockets or get into Israeli territory for terror purposes (Gilad Shalit incident, for instance).

What you've just brought up here is a warning shot, fired 10-60 minutes before the actual bomb will hit the house. Strange, huh? Warning your foe before bombing him, so he'll have the chance to clear the house.

Ahhh... I just LOVE these arguments. Since the Israeli conquered them at 1948 - it makes sense they are currently firing rockets at Israel. And as Israel is being attacked, it should take a "proportional" response only - allowing this fight to be a "fair fight". A load of rubbish. First, and this is a massive discussion - the ongoing claim of the 1948 - who started this war? Which of the sides accepted the UN resolution? The standards in 1948 were not as "humane" as they are today. Mr. Fisk must surely remember the way the RAF treated Dresden. This will not happen today, as times has changes, as standards has changed. Some for the good, some for the worse. So now these poor refugees from 1948 (I wonder how many 70 years old are firing the rockets) have the right to express their dissatisfaction by launching rockets to Israeli cities. Nice thinking. Not a word about the 19 years under Egyptian regime, not a word about the 8 years of no Israeli presence and the way Hammas decided to make use of these 8 years. Nope. They are retarded Palestinians who just need to express their anger someway. And the disproportionate response - I, as an Israeli citizen, want my army and my country to do what they can to stop this. If Hammas chooses to wage war against a much stronger opponent - he should expect the stronger opponent to use his superior tools. This idiotic count of how many deaths on each side. What is there was no Iron Dome? What is Israel had 150 casualties at this point? Would this make Israel more "right"? Israel's claims more "sound"? "legit"? You're 1.5 million people packed into Gaza? Maybe you should pick other ways to "show your dissatisfaction" than launching your rockets from within these highly populated areas? BTW - earlier today Israel informed the Palestinians to clear their houses in a specific region. Hammas called them back, as civilian casualties are not something they care about, as long as it serves their cause. The Hammas blatantly call for the extermination of Israel, but the fault is Israel's. If only it didn't exist - a world peace could finally be achieved. Oh. The Hammas wants to exterminate not only the state of Israel but all Jews as well? That is not a problem - we all know that Jews are the causes for world wide terror. I also invited you to try and figure out what happened to the Chiristian population in Gaza. Try to locate them. You'll have a hard time, as we all know, that alongside Israel and Jews, the Arab Christians are the cause for all bad things in the world, therefore they have to be oppressed and driven away. Now, finally, the peace can be achieved. Hurray!!! ISsid it before, I'll say it again - zero attacks from Gaza towards Israel equal zero casualties in Gaza. As simple as that.

And you say that because of what? As I wrote - Gaza strip has no Israeli forces in it. None what so ever. No soldiers and no civilians. Still, the Hammas feel the urge to launch their rockets at Israeli cities. I wonder what brings you to your conclusion? If you were talking about the West Bank - you would have a point. But you're not. You're talking about Gaza. What more Israel needs to do in order not to be the "oppressor" in this case? I'm really really not interested in or persuaded by any apologist for either side. The cool logic of the Israeli excusers or the passion of the Palestinian freedom cause, trotted out with faux emotion and fake logic because they've all already practised the speeches. There is not a goody and a baddy, as lovely as it is to imagine white hats and black hats both sides have murdering psychotic shits that are getting away with slaughter in the name of fuzzy revenge for the revenge for the previous revenge? The difference being, the Palestinian nutters can control a poor largely uneducated populace and get willing numbers on their side whereas the Israeli nutters might have less numbers willing to die for a poorly thought out cause, but have greater access to more efficient shiny modern weaponry. There can be few things that show a population they are in the right than access to the USA's military toy shop. Neither side is right. Revenge killing will not put an end to this. Both sides have to accept that this is not the means to any useful end. But both sides already know this. Both sides accept that the occasional skirmish like this with a few hundred dead in a population of millions is fine if it keeps the various factions in charge of their piece of dusty earth. It really is a living breathing example of the futility of war. Those in charge on both sides must be getting one hell of a pervy kick out of it all at the moment. Well, I might even partially agree with you in this matter if you were to separate the Palestinians to the ones in the West Bank and the ones in Gaza (as they do themselves). I clearly think that the negotiations with the West Bank Palestinians are poorly held by both leaders. Neither is really willing to make a drastic move towards the other side, always seeking for excuses and ideas to halt any possible progress. Gaza is a completely different thing. As I said - Israel withdrew its forces from Gaza and Gaza is controlled by a governing body who dislikes Abu Mazen even more than Bibi Netanyahu does. Personally, I am all for the two states solution. I honestly believe this is the only way. The problem with Gaza is that the Hammas does not see this as an option. Hammas charter clearly calls for the annihilation of the state of Israel and as long as this is the case, and as long they are actively pursuing this goal - nothing can be done for Gaza.

It did briefly last night/this morning. And a couple of days ago there were none. A couple of months back - zero. 12 months ago - again - none. And still, rockets flew all over Israel. So, if there weren't any Israelis in Gaza then - why did Hammas choose to arm Gaza with rockets rather than invest in the economy? What prevents the Hammas from taking care of its poor citizens? Living peacefully next to Israel? Hammas knows exactly who he's up against. They know Israel is superior. They know Israel has the Iron Dome on its side. Still - they decided the right thing to do it attack. Now they suffer the consequences of this decision.

And you say that because of what? As I wrote - Gaza strip has no Israeli forces in it. None what so ever. No soldiers and no civilians. Still, the Hammas feel the urge to launch their rockets at Israeli cities. I wonder what brings you to your conclusion? If you were talking about the West Bank - you would have a point. But you're not. You're talking about Gaza. What more Israel needs to do in order not to be the "oppressor" in this case?

From all I wrote - and this is what you come up with? Have I compared the Palestinians to the Germans? or to the Jews or to the Mongols? I merely gave an example of how the numbers tell you nothing about the parties fighting. OK, here's another example - Falklands. Argentina - 649 casualties. Great Britain - 255 casualties. As I am quite certain you know of this war more than I do - Can you please tell me what can you learn from these figures, other than the British army superiority?

The number of casualties, as hard as it is to claim so - is nothing but an evidence for Israel's ability to defend its citizens. I won't get into the "Hammas is shooting from within densly populated areas", but I will say that - if Israel has 30 casualties - would that be "better"? or 300? or 3000? How can one claim the the number of casualties implies of morality or humanity? World War 2 saw 7.5 million German casualties. The Jewish people had "only" 6 million. What can we learn from that? Absolutely nothing. As an Israeli who spends some of his days in secured areas due to the rockets the Hammas fired towards my city (no army bases or forces near, in case anyone wondered) - I will tell you what I honestly believe - if Hammas was to leave the way he chose (calling for the annihilation of Israel and the Jews) and if Hammas would not fire a single rocket towards Israel - there will be zero casualties in Gaza strip. Zero kids, zero men, zero women. Zero. Absolutely zero. But for their reasons - they choose a different path and when they do this, I refuse to apologize for being the superior side, holding great weapons of both offense and defense. Hammas knows who they're up against and they still choose to wage war. Also, the net is full with video clips of the Hammas urging civilians to act as human shields, while to Hammas leaders themselves are in safe grounds. And during the last days of fights - Israel keep supplying Gaza with groceries, electricity, fuel and so on. In regard to the website - without knowing the real figures (I can try to look that into, but the Palestinians and Israelis see things... "differently") - you can't rely on a website falsifying the past. For crying out loud - talking about the peaceful Arabs who lived here before 1948? Haj Amin Al Husseini - their leader - was an ally of one, Adolf Hitler. Collaborating with the SS, helping the recruitment of Muslim soldiers from Bosnia to fight alongside the Germans. In return he only asked the Nazis to help him solve the Jewish problem in Palestine, using their extremely gentle methods. This is not a secret - Google it. If someone is lying on Page 1 of his website, I find it hard to believe what's written on the other pages. BTW, in contrast to the West Bank, Israel withdrew all its forces and civilian settlements from Gaza Strip. There are zero Israelis there - what prevents the Hammas from making Gaza the pearl of the middle east? Supporting the citizens? Expanding the economy? No tanks, no settlement - just Palestinians.

Regardless of what your thoughts of this conflicts are, please don't tell me you're actually looking at this website as your source of knowledge. If I'll try being polite, I'll state there are a lot of "inconsistencies" in the information presented there. I urge you to try and find a more reliable source to gather knowledge. The "History" section is preposterous. Again, you can support the Palestinian cause, but the whole descriptions of the 1948 and 1967 wars are... well... let's say it like this - since I hold a lot of knowledge regarding the 67 war, opening its section with a sentence such as "Israel again decided to attack its neighbors" is just far fetched. Where's the background? Why did Israel acted? What was the state of the Arab armies at the time? Why have Egypt and Jordan signed a treaty, handing the command of the Jordanian army to an Egyptian General? Like... come on!!!!

Supporting those Brits who go to fight for ISIS and friends will blow up in your faces as soon as they will head back, having acquired a great deal of "how to kill dozens" knowledge, alongside the ideology to explain why such acts are a necessity. And most of the Muslim world will do nothing to turn against these groups. The Saudis will try to harness Extremist Group A to their cause while the Iranis will do the same with Extremist Group B and so on. This will go on till Groups A and B will set their sights on Saudi Arabia or Iran, explaining how these countries have lost the way and needs to find a new path, preferably, a path with a lot of beheaded corpses.

Damn illness. I recall the day my uncle found out he has this thing. The exact day his 3rd grandchild has a Brith. Quite a sad celebration is was... It was a fierce battle, but unfortunately, he lost it. Still, this is the time to be positive and rally the family together. As many suggested - this it a more treatable kind of cancer and hopefully your dad will emerge victorious. Not an easy task, not to him nor the family - but it's doable. All the best. Stay positive, as much as possible...

I have to disagree. While the South Sudan issue revolves around resources and tribal issues, most of the fighting in Syria (for instance) includes religious beliefs which have nothing to do with oil, gas or water. When religion gets into the mayhem - it's all about forcing your beliefs, regardless of any resources you might find along the way.

Wait, are you Israeli? Nope. Kingdom of Judah

The AK 47 is a superb weapon which main advantage (leave the price tag aside) is its ability to operate under any conditions what so ever. I saw how it is dumped into a pit, covered in mud for 10 minutes, but after picking it out - still fired with no problem at all. Israel tried to make its own version of the AK, the Galil. It looked the same and was a part of the fighting forces for quite some time, but was abandoned for the M16 about 15 years ago. Even though the Galil was much heavier, I hated the M16. A couple of drops and you've in a "cease fire" position...

As the flag in my avatar suggests, I am a part of this Zionist cult who secretly intend to take over the world. Still, neither I nor any of my colleagues is keen to get into a war with Syria. Israel has nothing to gain from the fall of Assad. True, he's not a friend, but the Syrian border was quiet since 1973, and the forces who wish to take his place will most probably change this status.