chrissmith921

Let what go? Get a complaint in

Go for it Steve

My point is everyone thinks their club has a 'special' part about their name. Its either having the name of the city or not - but both cases make your clubs name special? You could argue our name is more towards the 'franchise' naming convention the Americans use than others in fact, therefore making the make up of it less unique.

But how can something be more 'unique' - unique is something that something either is, or isnt... you cant be 'half unique' can you?

Kiddeminster Harriers is a unique name, as is Manchester United, as is Arsenal, as is Bolton Wanderers, as is Middlesbrough..... etc etc. How can something be 'more' unique?

yes?

i respectfully disagree. You'd rather Villa lose an FA Cup semi final because one of our players didnt take an opportunity like Diego did, than win it with a similar sort of goal? well yes. I feel embarrased when any of our players deliberately and obviosuly and intentionnaly cheat. Ash is occassionally guilty of this, in the way that Ronaldo sometimes is for Utd. something as blatant as a handball into the goal, i would not be happy with, no. It would devalue the win, for me. I wouldnt care, I'm sure there is something you could look at from our European win in 82 that should have meant we didnt go through in some round and therefore shouldnt have won it. The ideal is winning fairly and honestly, but the important part of that is the winning, rather than being fair and honest.

i respectfully disagree. You'd rather Villa lose an FA Cup semi final because one of our players didnt take an opportunity like Diego did, than win it with a similar sort of goal?

so that makes cheating allright does it? just because the english cheat how does that detract from the fact he cheated. This is professional sport - not a kick about with mates. Winning is ALL that matters in professional sport - so therefore winning by cheating > losing because didnt take the opportunity to cheat

Yes - not because the HoG put England out etc - but because of his status as a footballer. If an English player had done that, you'd all feel a hell of a lot different - Neil Back cheated for Leicester right under his posts in the final of the European Cup against Munster, got away with it, when he tapped the ball down on scrum put in. Is he villified amongst the English Rugby press along the same lines as Maradona is for the English football press? No - reason being, English Rugby benefited from that, where-as of course English football got crushed by Maradona. I'd think the referee should be the focus of England's disappointment, he should have picked up Maradona's handball - in my opinion Maradona did what I'd want any player to do in the situation - do whatever it takes to win the game, and if you get away with it, go beyond the ideals of doing it fairly. Winning by cheating is far far greater (espeically in a World Cup semi final) than losing gracefully.

Cant view that in work.... Dunno why. Yes you can correct it by correcting poverty, but if it takes a carrot AND stick approach, then thats what should be used?

Japan are below us in the rankings for murder. They are pretty much similar to us in terms of rich/poor divide, weapon ownership etc. Yet they have capital punishment.

I'd even allow it to go to the crappest of all biscuits, Rich Tea.

Well if he still is in 3 years time, I'll re-evaluate my opinion. I dont believe he's good enough, and in fact, dont think he ever has been. Surrounded by better players now he can play more confidently, knowing if he makes a mistake there should be enough around him to drag him out of a hole, but I still dont think hes what you'd call a top class Premiership defender, and I certainly wouldnt swap him for Laursen, Davies or Cuellar. Knight on the other hand.....

I ain't even reached bottom of the first page I'm not trying to change your mind but just giving our views on him. Read through this forum about Petrov. People proclaiming him to be our best player this season despite having a go at him over the past 2 years. Form is temporary - class is permanent. I think Jagielka is on form, but is he a top class player? I dont think so myself.

I wont, because I'm not saying it to cause argument etc, I just dont rate the lad. He's played the majority of his career where he has for a reason, now hes stepped up, the side he's stepped up-to hasnt looked as good a side as they did previously. Obviously there are always further reasons for this, but I dont think he's that good, in the same way I never thought Steven Davis was that good for us, just ran round a lot in a very poor side...

Jagielka aint no good.

oh right so the US is the only western state with captital punishment but we are not allowed to reference because they clearly do not prove the detterent point if you look at different states, with or without it so do we compare with any country, maybe Saudi and would you be happy to have Sharia law then ? No - you cannot compare however our country to theirs - there are far bigger influences to their crime problems than there are to ours. However, given the fact that they virtually all are carrying shooters, they have a much bigger gap between rich and poor (both these factors will increase murder rate significantly) etc - the fact their murder rate remains just about as low as ours should actually point to Capital Punishment being a very good deterent? the US's according to good old Wiki has a murder rate of almost double !! in fact if you look at the murder rate for just England and Wales it is nearly three times bigger because Scotland's is higher it brings up the UK average so you still say it is a deterrent ? And what about the effect that owning firearms has on those figures? Or can you not accept that the ownership of weapons is a far, far greater influence on that rate than capital punishment is??

Shouldnt be even allowed them. Brick walls, a space to lay down (not a bed) and a pot to p*ss in. Why on earth should they have ANY luxuries? Absolute basic survival is what it should be. I couldnt care less if theyre bored either. Perhaps they would be so bored they (heres a revolution-inspring idea) they might not commit a crime next time???

oh right so the US is the only western state with captital punishment but we are not allowed to reference because they clearly do not prove the detterent point if you look at different states, with or without it so do we compare with any country, maybe Saudi and would you be happy to have Sharia law then ? No - you cannot compare however our country to theirs - there are far bigger influences to their crime problems than there are to ours. However, given the fact that they virtually all are carrying shooters, they have a much bigger gap between rich and poor (both these factors will increase murder rate significantly) etc - the fact their murder rate remains just about as low as ours should actually point to Capital Punishment being a very good deterent?

Wait a minute here - you cant say the US because the US also have the firearms laws that are different to our own. I would certainly think that being allowed to own and operate your own weapon is more of an influence on the murder rate than getting a few volts up your arse 20 years after being convicted for it....

Agree there Stevo - prisons should be hell on earth. You should fear going there so much that it does stop a lot petty crime from happening.... Bloody human rights act.

How much does it cost to keep a prisoner in isolation (or max sec) for 25 years for the crime they commit? They're kept away from other criminals because of the fear of what might happen to them, despite THEM being the one who has committed the horrendous act. Why should everyone have to pay to keep this scum in existence? Cut off their heads.

eye for an eye

Would it not be fairest that those who want to book official travel can only do so when they are entitled to a ticket under the priorities that are placed on everybody who goes independently? Otherwise, as we have seen those going with official travel jump to the top of the queue. which is why its far more expensive. paying out big money to get preference over others - thats the usual line given by Season ticket holders - same thing here.....