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1 hour ago, Keyblade said:

Do you not normally call your cousin's son your nephew?

Only if his cousin is more like a brother to him.

2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

I have no idea either.

The story Awol posts makes no sense.

How can one eat 'humble pie' about a post-anything forecast, before the anything has even happened.

It would be like an employer having concerns about a employee they've hired, and then saying 'actually I was wrong about him' before he's even started work.

Does it not add weight to the theory that their forecast was based on the affect on the economy, post leave result but pre-brexit?

3 minutes ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

I guess what I don't understand is why they've released a follow up paper to admit "eating humble pie" if their original research was simply incorrect because they factored in an immediate triggering of A50.

An interesting point!

7 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

It got a bit gloomy in here, to make us all smile.

It's amusing but it misses the EU guy's response - "Good, because we won't listen until you've threatened to kill your hostage!"

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

We're not "post-Brexit" though.

How can anyone say anything has been proven right or wrong either way?

They won't be 'proven right or wrong' after 6 years, so certainly can't be proven just 6 months post referendum. It's on that basis that it surprises me how early some have derided others.

46 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

There were 13,171 at Sha today and 4671 of them were Newcastle fans. So 8500 home fans at only 18 quid a ticket or a tenner for under 18's and a fiver for under 13's. Once again confirming what a poorly supported club they are.

8500?! I've been to a basketball match with more  Birmingham (Bullets) fans.

8 minutes ago, snowychap said:

You're conflating such a number of different things in there that it isn't 'as simple as that' at all.

If you want a discussion with the 'many in this thread' and the posts implying or directly calling people idiots or similar then why don't you start quoting them so that we can follow that debate and clearly see your criticism? It would be very handy as you've picked on someone who doesn't think that economic performance is what should necessarily be the focus when discussing the decision to leave the EU and who has acknowledged, as you posted, that economic analysis (as with most other social science/humanities analysis) is debateable and it really isn't making much sense to be making/pressing your 'point' in reference to what I have posted.*

* I left out the last bit because I have undoubtedly called supporters of one side or the other idiots or similar or worse, especially if they're Farage, Gove, Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, &c.

I took your acknowledgement that economic analysis is debatable. I've re-read my comment after I quoted you and realise I should have included a term such as 'others' to ensure you didn't think I was accusing you. 

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

Predictions made in the scenario that everyone expected, in that DC would enact article 50 immediately. 

As @blandy says, all we've done so far is vote to leave. The worst (then maybe the better) is very much still to come.

Yep. At the moment it's like we're trying to predict the outcome of a 90 minute game after the first couple of minutes when no one has even put a tackle in.

13 minutes ago, snowychap said:

Yes. What has that to do with what I am posting?

 If economic performance is what many in this thread seem to be focussing on in regard to the decision to leave and as you acknowledged, economic analysis is debatable, there can be no definitive right or wrong answer to the question. I'm therefore surprised there are so many posts in this thread that imply or directly call supporters of one side or the other, idiots or similar. It was a simple as that.

16 minutes ago, snowychap said:

What on earth are you on about?

 

Are you serious?

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

Of course it is. That's rather the way debates (should) go, isn't it?

 

Indeed. It does make it impossible to define whether the decision was correct. As such, I think it's poor to label either side as idiots or wrong.

2 hours ago, snowychap said:

What you do is make the argument about how something may have led to something else. You analyse events, data and policy and put a case based upon facts, data and reasoning and see whether that case stands up to scrutiny.

 

Economic history is littered with analysis that stands up to scrutiny to some and not to others.

Beside the how much, if any, will the economy be affected, there will be those who think some price to pay will be worthwhile.

How easy will it be to decide what any effect on the economy is directly because of the referendum result? It's not like we can run a control experiment where the UK remains for comparison purposes. Similar economies improve and stagnate, often at unexpected rates, with or without major changes.

Economic markets usually don't like change so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone if there is some effect. It will be a long journey so it will take years afterwards to assess whether it was worth it. Even then we won't exactly know what mess or otherwise we'd have been in if we had remained.

I recall a campaign warning of instant damage to the UK economy. Even those who voted leave that I have spoken to, expect there to be some affect on the UK economy during the exit itself. Only time will tell what the effect is and how long it will last. After that we'll all be able to debate whether the 'cost' was worth it; a subjective soup further clouded by guesses of how bad or good the UK would have been if we'd remained.

1 hour ago, Wainy316 said:

Judge Judy has been going for a good 20 years.  There's a British rip off now.

Magistrate Margaret?

3 hours ago, Eastie said:

Bruce had said villa were still awaiting a reply from the Ivory Coast - they are meeting up on 2nd so it's still possible he could play at Cardiff and report in Paris tomorrow night and meet the squad - man united had their request turned down but they play late on Monday  so maybe that's why . 

It appears the BBC may have jumped the gun with their assumption that all the Ivory Coast players were unavailable.

3 minutes ago, villan-scott said:

Not set in stone he's going to miss Cardiff by the sound of it. 

Interesting. Perhaps Kodjia knows the information should come from the club.

19 hours ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

Has that been confirmed now?

Heard it in the sports news on BBC Radio WM on Friday - Ayew will be available against Cardiff, Kodjia will not be available. It was phrased as a confirmation, not as a 'it is believed that...'.

26 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

So are the Ivory Coast gonna play ball and let him play vs Cardiff?

No.

6 hours ago, mikeyp102 said:

A few times the ball was passed back to him and he looked nervous. Then the shot from dyer which hit the post, he left it and had no idea it was going to hit the post. 

Like I said made 2 great saves, one in each half, to win us the game, but I just don't see him as a long term replacement 

Bunn still needs to prove he can be a long term replacement but I think you've picked the wrong game to make the point. I didn't see any nervousness in dealing with the numerous back passes and he definitely did not 'leave' the shot that flicked the outside of the post. He dived to save it and slow motion replays appear to show he might have got his glove tips to it, so definitely NOT 'left'.

Two fantastic saves and no mistakes make for a great game, IMO.

6 hours ago, mikeyp102 said:

A few times the ball was passed back to him and he looked nervous. Then the shot from dyer which hit the post, he left it and had no idea it was going to hit the post. 

Like I said made 2 great saves, one in each half, to win us the game, but I just don't see him as a long term replacement 

Bunn still needs to prove he can be a long term replacement but I think you've picked the wrong game to make the point. I didn't see any nervousness in dealing with the numerous back passes and he definitely did not 'leave' the shot that flicked the outsideof the post. He dived to save it and slow motion replays appear to show he might have got his glove tips to it, so definitely NOT 'left'.

Two fantastic saves and no mistakes make for a great game, IMO.

1 minute ago, troon_villan said:

Which type? 

First.

A couple of unexpected (for some) political results and what appears to be an above average amount of famous people dying (although I think the 'above average' bit has been disproved).

I hope it doesn't appear selfish if my review of 2016 centres on the health, happiness and success of my family and friends together with my relationship with my wife and my work/life balance. All things considered 2016 has been a great year.

52 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

I think the 12 mpg it does kind of balances it but yeah it seem incredible, what did they actually think of it? If it was Hammond gusgphing over it that doesn't really say much, would rather the other 2 drove it 

May didn't comment but JC said he liked it. They briefly mentioned it's relatively disappointing lap time but didn't focus on the high running costs or the likely poor build quality.