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They've been remarkably patient considering regularly being compared to gangsters, Nazi's, the USSR. Edit: Dammit Chindie beat me to it!

It's not just an off the cuff remark either. He's tweeted the exact same phrase. Unfortunately, I do think this will be a red rag to a bunch of morons who talk as though we're at war with the EU. The thought of Farage, Rees-Mogg and Boris being perpetually tortured by Satan won't comfort many people if/when the shit hits the fan on March 30th though.

I took it the same way. I think uncontrollable rage is an understandable reaction to someone you love being hurt in that way. Where he's gone wrong is projecting that rage onto an entire community rather than the individual that did it. The black community as a whole are no more responsible for the actions of a few "bad apples" who like to commit crime than I am as a white person for the actions of Charles Manson, for example. That being said, when he used the phrase "Black b******" in any context he's going to draw this kind of animosity. Why couldn't he have just said "black man/guy/person"? The actions he describes, coming out with this story in an interview with a journalist and the terminology he uses indicates to me he's either got a problem or he's just not that bright.

It's about time someone stood up for the well-endowed gentleman!

Any excuse to use a Star Wars reference, dude! Keep them coming!

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I'm afraid you completely missed the point I was trying to make. You're correct though, he didn't get her an extra 20 years, but his mishandling of his office (and his mouth) is a major reason why she's still in jail. Rather than defend a British citizen, he completely undermined her defence to the point that it was impossible for Iran not to jail her. Not that I think she'd have received any kind of fair trial anyway. The original point was my personal belief that he's a complete buffoon. An incompetent in pretty much every way that matters. He's reached his position in life purely because of his family name and their enormous (and frankly disgusting) personal wealth. It's also my belief that he's probably the biggest danger to the country right now because if/when the whole Brexit mess comes to a head and the Tories (rightly) get the blame, they might turn to him to bail them out, and guess what, he'll probably win over a large portion of the uneducated electorate. Why? Because he's funny? Because he's interesting, in a massively eccentric sort of way? Because of his expensive education, upbringing, and eloquence give the "common man" the loving reassurance that he actually knows what he's doing?

Sanity prevails

It's alright though, he's a funny chap.... remember when he was dangling from that zipwire waving mini union jacks around?? hilarious remember when he flattened a japanese schoolboy? hilarious remember when he got that poor lady an extra 20 years on her iranian prison sentence? hilarious Definitely the kind of guy who's word we should be trusting.

The thought we're about to spend decent money on Mings is filling me with rage. If the guy was a racehorse he'd have been put down long ago. Why do we continue to do this, you don't need to waste money on the doctor to perform a medical. His record speaks for itself.

The ERG will roll over on all this, but it won't be tonight. They'll wait, run down the clock a little bit more in the hope they can engineer a no deal outcome in some way. If/When it looks like the house is starting to coalesce around either a delay, ref2 or remain they'll instruct May that they're ready to back it, it'll then come back and be passed. I'm convinced it's going to go through in some fashion. I find the hypocrisy of the whole situation just staggering. It's fine for May to bring the same deal back to be voted on multiple times by MPs, that's democratic, but when asked about putting it back to the people for some informed consent it's "betrayal".

True. Knowing them they're trying to drive gullible fools to SkyBet as per usual.

According to SSN we've made an approach for Christian Fuchs and been told to "get Fuched" by Leicester.

Some of the comments online to this story are downright scary... Just a select few that tickled me. "We don't need them" - Tell that to their employees "There's only one reason a French company has its wings made here. It's because it can't make them in France." - That's right. I'm sure the French are incapable of manufacturing an aircraft wing. Bravo "Yes the uncertainty is a disgrace - and why? Because those who refuse to accept they lost have undermined the result and the Govt, who have been incompetent in negotiations." - Of course! It's all our fault you voted to overturn 40 years of British trade policy and thought there'd be no consequences "How dare this arrogant company undermine our democracy and the will of its people." - Yes, how dare they attempt protect their shareholders interests. It's just not capitalism...oh wait... "Good luck to Airbus finding a skilled workforce that they would need to replace the UK based service!!" - I'm sure those incapable foreigners are capable of making items other than cheese and wine.

Unfortunately, I think some of those people are going to need to feel the pain before they realise what they've done.

But Blue Passports! And fish!

Fair point. I think there's been evidence out there (not that I can directly cite it now as I'm supposed to be working !) that international investment in the UK dropped markedly as a result of the current situation.

I agree he needs to have some kind of dialogue especially when one is offered but I think this is far too late now. She needed to do this right after the election disaster because it was obvious she would need some support from the labour benches to get anything through. Doing it at this late stage strikes me as an attempt to shift some of the blame to the labour side "look, I tried to deliver something but the opposition wouldn't back it so it's their fault you can't get your medicines, your house is worth less than you paid for it and your company is shifting production to Lithuania". It's a game, a stunt by the government, but by not at least being seen to want to talk he's reinforcing a narrative that will play very nicely to a certain crowd who will be looking for someone to blame for the shitshow we might be about to see.

So to summarise the government position "we're willing to compromise, just not on the stuff that's important to us"...great

No it doesn't but you also have a bunch of people using inflammatory language like "betrayal", "enemies of the people" and talking about "civil war". The whole thing is a tinderbox waiting for the match right now. One side are getting angrier because they feel they've won the argument and aren't being listened to. The other side are getting angrier because they feel their hard-won rights are about to be taken away and they are going to be materially poorer because the government are pandering to a bunch of closet (and not so closet) racists.

I've definitely heard worse ways to reunite the country.

Just don't get how it can be anti-democratic to hold another democratic vote. We hold elections every 4 years (sometimes sooner) ffs. People change their minds, new facts come to light, politicians lie.

Yep. It plays very nicely into the narrative that it's some "metropolitan elitist" bogeymen that are trying to "frustrate brexit and the will of the people". Lots of foaming at the mouth racists will lap it up.

To the tories, DUP or to me? To the tories he wants to undo 30 years of Thatcherite policy of privatisation of pretty much our entire national infrastructure. To the DUP he's pretty much Satan-made-flesh because he dared to speak to the IRA decades before it became government policy to do so. To me, he's a relic of a bygone era. I like a lot of what he says and does but you can't just wish away the modern capitalist world. He's a fantasist but he's not entirely wrong.