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[kurtsimonw]

Pretty much agree with all of that. Playing the Skins twice late could be a blessing. RG3 will be smashed to shit by then, unless they start handling him better because they're destroying a genuine franchise QB at the moment.

 

I think Carolina are terrible and we should't really have too much trouble. I'd be surprised if it ends within 10.

[kkr]

 

The Panthers now have TWO healthy DB's for this week. Captain Munnerlyn is at one CB, and the newly re-signed Drayton Florence will play.

As of now, Ron Rivera isn't sure who will take the field to start:

Rivera did not say who would start at cornerback, but it will likely be some combination of Munnerlyn and Josh Thomas or Florence. Thomas (concussion) participated in individual drills Thursday but has not been cleared for full practice by the doctor.

Mike Mitchell will start at free safety and undrafted rookie Robert Lester will start at strong safety. Rivera confirmed Quintin Mikell, who hasn’t even been at walk-throughs after suffering an ankle injury, will not play Sunday.

Cornerbacks D.J. Moore (knee) and James Dockery (thumb/shoulder) did not practice Thursday. Norman, like Thomas, was limited in practice (thigh) but expects to play against the Giants.

 

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Good news, a decimated opponent is probably what this team needs right now, especially if we fail again with trying to improve the run game!

Webster will miss the game for us though.

[abdomlahor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT3tMl4YIR0&feature=youtu.be

[kurtsimonw]

38 points that, yet again, really isnt the fault of our D for the most part. When you spent all but about 10 seconds of a game on the field you've no chance.

[abdomlahor]

What an absolute embarrassment. We have possibly the best set of wide-outs in the NFL and a QB with two Superbowl rings, but an offensive line that would struggle in little league.

 

Something needs to change. Quick.

[kkr]

It was helpful to the Panthers defense that Blackburn, now a Panthers linebacker, called out the plays before the ball was snapped.

“I had an idea of what they run and what they like to do in situations,” Blackburn said. “We had a great game plan going in. I’ve been sharing all the information all week. Guys, all of us, linebackers were out there knowing what to do; (defensive backs) knew what kind of routes they were going to get off the route combinations.

“It makes for a big difference when you can play the game at that speed. We were able to play fast because we were aware of what they were going to do.”

Blackburn enjoyed the best year of his career last season with New York, with 61 tackles, four forced fumbles and three sacks. Despite starting 15 games for the Giants last year, he was unable to get a snap for the Panthers through two regular-season games.

Luke Kuechly and Thomas Davis held down the middle and strongside linebacker positions, respectively, and Jon Beason had gotten the starts at weakside after microfracture knee surgery in October.

Beason has struggled, though, and Rivera saw an opportunity this week to get Blackburn reps on defense and not just on special teams.

“This was one of those things when you have a guy who knows the other team and you sit there and you listen to him when he is watching tape, before the play even happens, he calls the play out,” Rivera said. “You go, ‘He has a grasp of it.’ We saw it in practice. He was focused, he was excited and he brought a lot of energy.”

Beason played just one snap Sunday, on a third down. Blackburn said last week he knew the situation when he came to Carolina — that he was brought on to be a backup with the Panthers.

With that in mind, Blackburn didn’t publicly complain about his lack of snaps. But his knowledge of the opposing offense and helping hold the Giants to 150 total offensive yards helped make a statement for him.

“It felt great, especially against these guys,” Blackburn said. “Being a part of this game feels fantastic. It’s tough, we got a lot of great linebackers on this squad and to get guys snaps, it’s tough to come by. When you get them you got to make the most of them, and when we watch the film, hopefully I did that today.”

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Pretty terrible really, if one of our ex defenders can completely give away our offense from last season to his new team the following season then someone needs to be held acvountable.

We had this shit when Coefild went to Washington too. Sooo bad!!!

[kkr]

Coughlin lost his brother this week which i think was a contributing factor as the team looked totally unprepared.

No excuse but im hoping its just been the perfect shit storm these three weeks and that we can eliminate the turnovers and at least put together some pass pro for Eli to be effective. If so we can get back on track.

I think its abundantly clear that the offense has been figured out..... half way through last season!!!

[kurtsimonw]

Those words from Blackburn show how much on Gilbride this is. For him to be able to predict so easily shows how, well, predictable we are.

[leviramsey]

EDIT: wrong thread

Edited September 23, 2013 by leviramsey

[kkr]

It’s MRI Monday for David Baas and Chris Snee

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 23, 2013, 5:22 PM EDT

AP

The Giants’ offensive line was battered yesterday, which makes it no surprise they’re bruised today.

After a 38-0 loss to the Panthers which included seven sacks, the Giants line is showing the wear.

According to Conor Orr of the Newark Star-Ledger, center David Baas (neck) and guard Chris Snee (hip) had MRIs today.

Both sat out the final five plays of yesterday’s rout, and Giants coach Tom Coughlin admitted the pair had “some issues.”

Asked if that meant changes were coming, Coughlin replied: “I don’t know, I hope not but we’ll see, there are things that have to be looked at.”

Injuries would explain the poor play in part, but the Giants got caught by a team with an excellent defensive line, which was motivated to avoid an 0-3 start as well.

 

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With any luck both these guys will be done for the year or miss serious time so that we are forced to give Brewer and Mosely a chance or go to FA.  I kind of expect it is a move by TC to bench them but kind of save face seeing as they are both members of a championship team.

 

Head Coach Tom Coughlin

September 23, 2013

Good afternoon. Following a very disappointing evening, obviously last night, the one thing that I did stress with our team following the game was that what we really need to do during this point in time is to make sure we stick together, that we stay together. That we act, that we speak, and that we are one. We don’t finger point. We don’t blame anybody either. There is no excuse for what happened. It happened. We’re a team and I think the stressing of remembering even in a situation such as yesterday’s game is very important. Today we talked in here and we don’t try to soft pedal anything. This was a very disappointing loss for us. We didn’t give ourselves a chance to compete, to be in a position to. From the first snap of the game on we had in the first half, two opportunities with good field position, did not take advantage of either one. We had the ball in the end zone with a penalty. We had the ball set up in the middle for a field goal, missed the field goal. We didn’t give ourselves much of a chance to reinforce anything or excite our team, on the sidelines or in the locker room at halftime. Having said that, the second half wasn’t played very well by our defensive team either. We gave up the two drives. We gave up the long post touchdown. You fight for 40-something plays, it’s a long game. It’s a 60-minute game. Nobody said it was going to be fair. You have to battle all the way. We also made two really ridiculous mistakes on special teams that cost us drastically. We had the ball out of bounds at the nine-yard line and had to re-kick because of a holding penalty. We had the fourth-and-one offside penalty, which gave them the ball back, as if they needed the ball anymore. There were disappointments, there were mental errors. We made mistakes that we should not be making. When you get in a situation like that, in a game such as that, you look at last year’s game and you study it and utilize that particular game as well, for the reinforcement part of what you’re trying to accomplish. I was impressed a year ago by the poise of our football team when we went down there and played in the Thursday night game and I tried to lean on that a little bit, during the course of our preparation. We thought we were in good shape. We thought we were all on the same page. I was disappointed in the result.

Q: When you told the team to stick together, did you see anything leading you to believe they weren’t?

A: No, this was right after the game.

Q: Yeah, so did you see any fighting or anything?

A: No.

Q: I only read this from up here, but there was a line from Hakeem, which said ‘I can’t throw it to myself.’ Are you concerned that there is a little bit of a fault line?

A: No. I’ll talk to him. That’s not a smart thing to say. He’s on the field, the quarterback was sacked seven times, hit fifteen times. Not a very smart thing to say.

Q: But it’s something you’ll address then?

A: I’ll talk to him about it. Sure.

Q: Is there anything you could have done from a play calling standpoint to change the rush? Maybe quick passes to the backs in the flat. Is there anything …?

A: There wasn’t any question we thought we needed to go to the quick game. We did throw the quick game, we also threw a couple of things that were five-step drops that the ball came out, or had to come out relatively quickly. We did utilize some of that. We did get into some down and distance situations, where we couldn’t pick it up that way and had to comeback further. The result wasn’t very good when we did that either. All of that was discussed.

Q: Are you contemplating any changes to the offensive line?

A: We’ll see. Your team is your team. If there is something that we think can do, can help, then I would consider it.

Q: Are you someone who believes in a change for the sake of sending a message?

A: No, I think you have to deal with reality. I think the messages are very strongly presented. I don’t need that kind of an example, however, if it is something that can make us better, then I have no issue with that either. That’s been done in the past as well.

Q: Toward the end of last season there were a couple of lopsided losses, now you’ve had a couple at the beginning of the season. Are you concerned your message is not getting through?

A: I’m concerned that what we talk about in here and the response are not necessarily the same. That’s as far as I will go with that.

Q: Does Chris Snee look totally healthy to you?

A: I think he’s got some issues. We’re trying to figure out where that is right now. He and David Baas also have some issues.

Q: Issues that may affect their availability this week?

A: I don’t know. I hope not, but we’ll see. There are things that have to be looked at.

Q: Carl Banks on the radio thought the team quit. How do you feel about that?

A: I don’t like that. That is a very strong thing for someone to say. It wasn’t pretty, I will say that, but I don’t believe they quit.

Q: He also said that he thought this team isn’t fighting, that they didn’t like each other, didn’t want to fight for each other. Do you sense any of that?

A: No.

Q: I know it’s hard to tell in a down time, after a loss, but do you sense the chemistry is there?

A: The locker room part of it, you want to see that gel on the field. That’s what we’re all trying to do. I think they’re a very compatible group. I think you need to win to get the thought that you’re talking about.

Q: As you look at heading into a really tough place to play on Sunday, against what appears to be a really good team, is there in your mind a list of … that would change everything?

A: There’s things we can accomplish. Can we accomplish everything at one time? I’m not sure. I can give you a laundry list of things. We talked last week about playing four quarters. That still is there. We talked last week about supporting and being in harmony with one another. That’s not there, or that has to happen. I think you get the response you want to get off the sideline when people make plays and they rally around each other. I think there was plenty of enthusiasm when Aaron (Ross) picked the ball off. There was plenty of enthusiasm when the ball went in the end zone. Not much enthusiasm when it was brought back. I think that’s one of the things that we keep talking about, but it has not taken place at this point in time.

Q: It has been a long time for you personally since you’ve felt this challenged to fix your team as you do right now, right?

A: I would probably agree with that. Each year is a new year. Each situation is a totally different situation. We’re scratching and biting to try to find answers as well. To see what we want to see in our team. To be honest with you, I know Thursday’s practice was pretty good. Wednesday’s practice was good, so it’s not that part of it. It’s the transfer of that over into the game situation and then being hardened and mentally tough enough to withstand some things that don’t go your way and come back and make something happen in a positive way.

Q: After the game Eli seemed to be dumbfounded that Carolina was getting through with the four-man rush. Did you see anything from the film that maybe would explain that?

A: They’re a good front, just like I said all week long. They’re a good front. They rush basically four guys the whole ball game. They created problems and havoc, if you will, just by bringing four. They occasionally pressured and blitzed the first play of the second half, not a surprise it was pressure, but they did a nice job. They rotated people in and, quite frankly, whoever was in there was still putting pressure on.

Q: After what you’ve seen in the first three weeks, are you concerned at all that there’s not enough talent to get it turned around?

A: We’re going to certainly find out. We’re certainly hoping to be able to find out. To go to whatever extreme we have to try to uncover people and help us win.

Q: At some point it’s probably fair to ask questions about personnel. Do you feel like you’re putting them in the right situations?

A: I think we are. I think we’re putting them in the right positions right now to be able to perform and win. It hasn’t happened yet, but we’re going to continue to try to put them in the right positions.

Q: Is there some acceptance at some point or …?

A: No, you can’t put words in my mouth. I’m not saying anything about personnel. I’m saying that the personnel here has got to play better.

Q: Do you think the makeup of this team offensively, the fact that you guys rely so heavily on the big play, does that invite slumps like this?

A: I don’t know. That’s pretty deep for me.

Q: Do you have any updates on injured players?

A: Not really. I haven’t heard anything yet.

Q: When you talk about a good practice or two and not translating, when you speak to the players you’re in constant communication with, whether it’s the leadership council or captains, is there any light shed on why a team during the week can seem to be preparing…?

A: No, but that is a good question. That’s maybe something that I would want to investigate.

Q: Did you get a chance to look at the Kansas City front seven yet?

A: I’m getting into that right now. They’ve done a nice job.

Q: How much of a big picture concern do you have with a season that starts in a way that you’re not really accustomed to. Guys getting in their heads, it’s one of those seasons. Is…?

A: I don’t know. I’m so into Mondays being a horrible day anyway, win or lose. I’m into where we are right not and trying to get this team together, if you will, to play well. I am not looking down the road.

Q: You’ve had situations in your first nine years here where things look bleak and you’ve got it turned around. Is there a way to compare? This is earlier in the year than you’re used to. Is there any way you prepare? Like a crisis management operation?

A: Ours has always been ‘damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.’ Basically the way we’ve tried to do it is to be more focused ourselves and more driven and try to transfer those objectives directly toward our players. We’ve done nothing more than dive in and try to solve whatever issues we have and we’ll continue to do that.

Q: When you took this job in ’04 you said something, you must replace despair with Giants pride…

A: I know, I know.

Q: Is it back to square one though?

A: I hope not. Let’s see. I did challenge our pride a little bit today.

 

 

Come on Tom, i think you can see major changes are needed, at 0-3 **** it lets do it!

[kkr]

"I’m going to tell you from this point on, I don’t care what the situation may be, I don’t care what the outcome is, I don’t care what the hell has to happen,'' Rolle said on WFAN. "If they want to kick me up from around here, from the New York Giants, then that’s what’s going to have to happen but I’m going to play Antrel Rolle ball the way I know how to play Antrel Rolle ball and I’m going to lead the way I know how to lead. Because I don’t give a damn what happens, that feeling that I felt last Sunday? I can never have that feeling again. I never had that feeling in my life and I can never feel that way again. I’m going to do whatever it takes and anything it takes and whatever the outcome is, it is what it is. I’m a man and I can handle anything that comes my way. But I’m going to play football the way I know how to play football.'' #nyg

 

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Translated, im not listening to Fewell all the time anymore, if i dont like the call then i know better!

 

Good!  About time someone took control on both sides of the ball away from the coordinators who have been found out and have no answers!

 

Our only leader on the whole team speaks.

[kurtsimonw]

LOL Rolle is awesome.

[kkr]

Hynoski should be out the rest of the season and on IR soon so the Giants have signed John Conner to a 2 year deal!  The saviour!

 

T2 and John Conner on the same team!  Time to stop being shit!

[kkr]

Snee and Baas out this week, hurrah!  Webster too.

 

Those two guys are clearly past it and in Snee's case a washed up shaddow of what he used to be.  I hope we move Brewer and Mosely in at both Guard spots and slide Boothe over to centre, rather than bring Cordle in at that spot as he is worse than Baas and Snee!  Id rather we suck dude to inexperience than being loyal to players who shouldnt have made the team and wont be here next year.

 

Get a short passing game going and a little no huddle and i think we can get out of this funk offensively.  It requires Gilbride to get creative or take himself out the equation and Coughlin doesnt like that loss of control.

[kkr]

Diehl is on his way back though and listed as doubtful.  I used to slate him when he was in sucking up before, but i think half of his issue would be having Snee and Baas beside him depending on where he sat on the line!

 

Thats how far we have fallen, we are hoping the pissed up Croat can save us even after all the abuse he has taken the past few years for his dismal line play!

[kurtsimonw]

Never witnessed this as a Giants fan. Eli's first year and some of the Kerry Collins years were bad, but what the **** is going on? Offense, defense and special teams all amongst the worst in the league in the same season?

[kkr]

Defense has actually been playing well for the most part.

When the offense is 3 and out every drive or turning it over there is no wonder the D wears down in the second half.

The talent just isnt there on the roster and its becoming more and more clear that Reese won two Super Bowls off the back of Ernie Accorsi.

Reese, Quinn and Gilbride have to go and unless Coughlin hands the offense over to Eli or another coordinator with his own scheme then he might have to retire too.

Id trade Nicks right now. He is playing like he wants to avoid an injury anyway in his contract year so trade him now and invest moneg in both lines.

The likes of Joseph and Tuck id shop also. Clear out players we wont resign now for any compensation that can help us rebuild.

Lots of old deadwood to clear in the offseason. We hung onto them for one year too many.

Diehl, Boothe, Snee, Baas, Jacobs, Tuck, Webster, Rivers, Rolle, Rodgers, Ross

Id be surprised if two or more of them are on the roster next year. Paid too much, produce too little now. Shame as they are the core of 2 championship teams.

[leviramsey]

In a race with the Jaguars for 0-16?

[kurtsimonw]

I think you could argue the first SB was nothing to do with Reese, but his drafting his mostly been good at the offense was quite a bit different in the 2nd SB win. The players he's bought in clearly have some talent, but for the most part they're being misused, in my opinion anyway.

[abdomlahor]

Even the defense which has been probably the only 'bright spot' this season is odd. They've been playing OK even though there's no pass rush.