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[kkr]

Non story imo, id imagine these sorts of things happen all over the league and much worse, its just that they arent uploaded to youtube for the media to get a hold of and create a frenzy over nothing.

They want him to have more of an edge and swagger so they are trying to get him to play angry to get the best out of him. Like you wouldnt throw your mates in an ice bath for banter and to wind them up?

[kkr]

Canty and Beckum start the season on PUP, so wont be available until week 7 at the earliest.

[Dante_Lockhart]

Looked like bullying TBQH. His face said it all.

[kkr]

You only have part of the evidence though so you are in no position to judge. The player himself said it was no big deal and that they were all ok after the film stopped rolling. He also noted that he wasnt brushing anything under the rug.

Weatherford described it best, horseplay and horsing around with everyone over-reacting about it.

With that in mind and knowing that Tom Coughlin took a dim view on it (the language more than anything) and spoke to the players about it is enough for me. If it was anything worse that that then Coughlin wouldn't stand for it.

Non story being blown out of proportion by the media. Shock. Horror.

[kkr]

Final cuts are being made today, roster has to be down to 53 by 21:00 EST tonight. The following players have been cut so far:

Matt McCants

Greg Jones

Isaiah Stanback

Marcus Thomas

Matt Broha

Jake Muasau

Larry Donnell

Craig Marshall

David Douglas

De-Palma

Chris White

Selvish Capers

DJ Ware

Ware and Jones a tad surprising, Ware especially.

[kkr]

NFL America's Game screens tonight at 02:00 our time on NFL Network i believe! Cannot wait!

[kkr]

@MikeGarafolo: Giants list these guys as questionable: Beatty, Boley, Hosley, Kiwanuka, Nicks, Track. (< presume this is meant to say Tracy) Probable: Bradshaw. #nyg

@TomRock_Newsday: Prince Amukamara, Marvin Austin and James Brewer are OUT for the Giants this week.

Coe starts at CB and Locklear at LT.

@nickeatman

Jay Ratliff not playing. Ruled out for the game. Jason Witten is doubtful. Mike Jenkins questionable.

Witten out will be huge but Ratliff could be the bigger loss for the Cowboys, im hoping it lets us get some sort of a running game up the middle and at DWare going.

Snee has also restructured his contract to free up $3m as we were over the salary cap.

[kkr]

[kurtsimonw]

Haha. Love it.

Missed Americas Game though.

[kkr]

Was good but not as good as the last one, i suppose it missed the personality of Strahan. Lets hope for another this time next year! Im sure it will be on Youtube now or very soon.

[kurtsimonw]

Eli - C

Oline - D

RBs - F

WRs - D

Dline - C

LBs - D

DBs - F

Dallas were pretty awful and gifted us penalties for fun. That's one of the most embarassing performances I've witnessed in recent years.

[kkr]

Sloppy start to the season from both teams. They took advantage of our depleted cornerback position and that was basically the difference between both teams.

Our corners got toasted, even Webster was terrible letting guys simply run over the top of him. Very uncharacteristic from him.

If Coe is injured for a while now we will struggle there as we are very thin. Coe was essentially in there as a band aid anyway do bad times!

The Dallas D is much improved and they basically drafted and approached free agency with us in mind so credit to them for getting that right.

That being said Nicks was clearly no where near 100%, Cruz and others dropped a fair few balls and even Eli missed a few big plays. I think we will improve and be better against them the next game.

Oline is terrible again, RBs didn't stand a chance really but if they could hold onto the ball that would be nice!

Lots of work to be done. We played poor in all three phases of the game last night and lost by 7 to a very potent offense. Get anywhere near where what we are capable of and we will be fine.

Although with the toughest schedule in the league, Tampa next weekend is kinda must win.

[kkr]

TC postgame transcript. Agree with pretty much everything said here.

Head Coach Tom Coughlin

September 5, 2012

Very disappointing, very disappointing loss. Any way you want to look at it. We fumble the ball after a nice drive that possibly could have been points, we don’t score from the one-yard line. We give up big plays in the second half. We don’t really stop the run, they had all kinds of yardage, we had little or none. We gave ourselves a chance there at the end of the game, it just took way too much time for us to score. And then obviously 3rd and 11 or 12, whatever that was, we couldn’t stop it. We had trouble stopping the slant all night long like we’ve never seen a slant before. Very, very frustrating. It hurts to come in and be playing at home and playing a game of this nature opening the season to play the way we played, and we certainly are capable of playing a lot better.

Q: Did the fumble by [David] Wilson alter the way that you were going to use him tonight?

A: Probably a little bit. Sure.

Q: Do you think you wore down a little bit defensively?

A: They didn’t have that many plays. I didn’t see the final totals, but I saw somewhere before maybe our last drive or something, they had 50 plays and we had 45. So I don’t know but I’ll take a look at the tape and be objective about it but I don’t think that’s the reason there.

Q: In the game plan, did you expect the performance from Ogletree?

A: He’s played well against us before, whether it was Ogletree or whoever else it’s going to be. He is their third receiver and he has played well against us before.

Q: What’s your message to your team after this?

A: Take a bite out of humble pie is basically what it is. It brings you right back to earth. There won’t be any blowing smoke up their rear ends as far as that. Last year is last year and this year is this year. Every team is a new team, every year is a new year, we have our work cut out for us, it’s a great challenge for us now. I think Michael Coe injured a hamstring again, so there is another corner we’re staring at being down. But we’ve rubbed salt in it right now and I think that hopefully the competitive nature of our guys comes out and we come out swinging.

Q: Do you have any concerns about the short yardage game?

A: I don’t know. I have to take a look at that, too. We have been very good in goal line situations against Dallas, but I don’t know if the scheme flattened us out or whatever, but obviously the football was intended to split it and it didn’t. It got flattened out and, of course, we lost two yards on it. So that wasn’t a very good start.

Q: With that bite out of the humble pie, was it logical to think that there was some…?

A: No. I didn’t see a whole lot of that. I’m not going to tell you we didn’t feel good about ourselves. I think especially our defense felt pretty good because of their preseason, they played pretty well and they had every right to feel that way. But Dallas neutralized some of our big weapons tonight, and they would try to run the ball and they had nice balance. So we have got to give them some credit as well.

Q: How disappointing is it with Corey Webster, one of your reliable guys, tonight?

A: You know, he’s better than that. He’s strong-willed, he got beat and he came right back and competed. He conducted himself like a pro. It’s just a shame that he got beat on a double move and he just got beat on a go route. I don’t know if it was a lapse or not, whether he was thinking that they weren’t going to throw the ball down the field. But it was a very accurate throw, and the receiver [Dez] Bryant got himself in position. But he’ll bounce back.

Q: What did you see on the drops by Victor Cruz?

A: Victor, on occasion, has had some concentration drops where he tries to run before he catches the ball. It’s something he continually has to work on and he’ll work on it again.

Q: Are you surprised they neutralized your big pass rushers?

A: I don’t know if they totally neutralized them but we expected more obviously.

Q: Did you think Cruz was held on that third down?

A: Oh, for sure. I think there was more than a hold. There’s another word for it. But you have people in a position, and they’re trying to do the very best they can. We can yell and scream on the sidelines all we want from the sidelines but that’s the nature of what we have in front of us right now and they try as hard as they can. They’re very vocal, they’re very easy to work with and they come to you and talk to you about the way it needs to be to be controlled and called. That part of it is just part of the game, anybody can miss a call, but I just felt like in a situation like that, a key situation, where it becomes a first down again, it would have been nice to get that call.

Q: When you say you were neutralized, do you think your defensive linemen were held?

A: I don’t know. I’m sure everybody will tell you that but there aren’t going to be any excuses here. They beat us, they ran the ball, and they got the ball in position on us. They had a lot of yards tonight and no matter what, if you want to break it down to just minutely, it’s not going to solve anything. We’ve got a lot of work to do.

Q: What is your assessment of Eli?

A: He had tremendous pressure. We didn’t do much in terms of really solidifying and allowing him to step up and throw. Certainly he would be the first one to tell you that we want more, expect more and certainly have more. But we’ve got to do a better job of protecting him and we’ve got to do a better job all around in terms of that and then maybe we can expect to have some better performances than the past game.

[kurtsimonw]

Looking back at my ratings after having watched the game through again, I think I was a bit harsh on the linebackers. The Dallas tight ends were mostly a none-factor and their passing game was 90% on the outside. Even their running game, when you take out that run that Tuck failed to make the tackle on, was well under 4 yards a carry.

What's happened to our CBs is such a shame really. We know we have a great pass rush, I'm really loving our group of linebackers so to have Webster/T2/Prince/KP/Rolle would've been great, not not only are we missing 2 of those, but their backups too!

[kkr]

Both teams were sloppy but the difference between us and them was that they were able to exploit our secondary and while theirs played well, a case of the drops (5+ easy catches by my count) and a clearly hobbled Nicks after offseason foot surgery made it all the more easy for them.

The run D was good up until that one fluke broken play. The sooner we start Rivers, Boley and Kiwi though the better. Sorry Chase! Then we have Williams, Herzlich and Paysinger developing as well so we are good at linebacker for a change.

The oline is terrible though. We need Beatty back and healthy and i would move Locklear over to RT to replace Diehl who is quite frankly done. The Cowboys moved Ware over to rush from the right side a lot because they know Diehl is awful.

I think we will be ok at corner and in the secondary if we can stay healthy from here on in. Prince needs to get his ass on the field and i like what i have seen from Hosley also. Thats 3 decent corners and Coe is serviceable also.

Notice how prolific Peyton was last night picking apart the Steelers D? Glad to see him back and being awesome again, now if only Kevin Gilbride would put his fat ego aside and turn the offense over to Eli and let him run it like Peyton does.

Our success on offense Wednesday came when we were playing up tempo and with momentum. It is quite frankly getting ridiculous how we can suck on offense for most of a quarter or half and then all of a sudden its like a light bulb comes on for everyone when we are in a two minute drill or going no huddle or more up tempo.

Coughlin and Gilbride seem to have this idea of wanting to control the clock and dominate TOP to wear down our opponents which is great, but when the Oline sucks its not going to happen and surely the best way to wear a D down would be to go no huddle/up tempo and let Eli do his job. They need to stop holding the offense back.

This division is seriously competitive this year though, i think 9-7 could win it again and i doubt anyone does better than 10-6. It will be a struggle for us achieve a record like that, we have the hardest schedule.

[kurtsimonw]

I understand that you have to keep honest and use the run since Eli is incredible on play action, but Gilbride takes it too far. A few occassions we ran on 1st and 2nd down which is ridiculous when you consider the ground game was not very effective.

It's frustrating because we both know they're never going to go no huddle or qith a quick offense unless it's 1) end of a half or 2) midway through 4th quarter when behind. Otherwise it's going to be the same old shit. We won 2 damn Super Bowl on our final drive qith a fairly quick tempo, Eli broke the record for 4th quarter TDs and we had so many final drive wins last season with our offense, why can't we do it more? It makes no sense.

[kkr]

Seeing Ryan and Flacco have success with the no huddle is the worst part also. Our Oline is crap so to negate that we should run the no huddle, up tempo offense, focus more on using our weapons in the passing game and then work the run in.

Its a pass to run league now, the sooner we take that approach the better. Especially this week against a Tampa Bay team that held Carolina to 10 yards rushing.

The Oline is also ok-ish at pass protection so why not turn the game over to your 2 time Super Bowl MVP QB who has engineered two OT victories in the NFC Championship game followed by a 4th quarter comeback win in the Super Bowl with less than 2 minutes to play. No other QB has done that even once. Ever!

Very annoying. This week i dont care how, just win. In fact that's the same every week tbf but with our schedule we cannot go 0-2 to start the season. I like Bennett to have a big game this week, Carolina's TE was open a lot so if we can work him in more that would be good. Get him comfortable in the offense asap.

T2 has had his third ACL surgery so that's him likely done but hopefully he can get back and is with us in camp. He will be released before next season though as his contract sky rockets after this year.

[kurtsimonw]

1st half performance - TC needed to redy an execution squad.

2nd half performance - Unreal.

[kkr]

We should chip in and buy Taib a Hakeen Nicks jersey, i can only assume that he wants one so much because he was holding it every play! Every play and he still went for nearly 200!

Glad Cruz had a huge day also to honour his late Grandmother who taught him how to Salsa.

[kurtsimonw]

Cruz owed Eli that after last week. 34 points doesn't really paint a true picture of how the D did. Aside from a few bad spells in coverage they mostly did great.