Woodytom

Oh, btw.. this made me laugh as these 2 lines exemplify narrowminded-ness. You can't just quote the 'goals conceded' and have that backup your view. Each game is different. Goals might not have come down the right side of the pitch. We might have conceded a penalty through no fault of Luke Youngs. Luke Young might have been injured and we might have conceded 3 goals. Cuellar might have been playing at centreback and we conceded goals - yet you'll use that "goals conceded" stat to your advantage for having him play on the right - his unfavoured position! I am using the goals conceded to highlight that the defence has improved! And if Luke Young or anybody else for that matter comes in and it continues to improve then great. However if we go with the same back 4 next year and it continues to improve then I wont be calling for Luke Young or anyone else. I can only go on what happens and not what might happen

Which is pretty ridiculous. Paul Scholes, Alan Shearer two fine examples of great player who retired for whatever reasons. As i've shown with a few stats, it could be argued, during a consistant run of games with Luke Young in the team, we actually improved as a team, so I don't think it's right to say "We improved, it doesn't matter who played" because had Luke Young not been dropped for Collins again, then who knows, we might have gone on and improved further and finisher a place higher for example. I could understand Luke Young not winning his place back because we were doing pretty well defensively but when he did get his chance, we had a great run of games where we were successful and then he was dropped again and it didn't make sense. Yes but were not talking about Alan Shearer, who is arguably Englands vbest ever striker. Im talking about Luke Young and the p[ossible reasons for why MON preferred Carlos. Its so marginal, it could be something like that. You just dont know. Its just an idea, because when I heard that hed said no to INT football, I was dissapointed. Now if Luke Young was consistently our best rb by a mile like shearer was striker at Newcastle, then there wouldnt be an issue, but hes not because Carlos defended well - so its down to marginal decisions. There was no marginal decision needed at NEwcastle regarding Alan Shearer

It didnt tho did it? That defence last year was the best weve had for years. The 1 before with Martin 'I love you, but your a bull in a china shop' Laursen, Davies, Young, and Bouma - seemed ok, but after last year (bar Wolves and Chelsea) you realise what a shambles it was. Why didn't it? I don't see how the height of one player on the right side of the pitch has become the main reason why our defence was so good. Could it not be the fact that we replaced Knight, Davies & Shorey with Warnock, Dunne & Collins? Knight had his moments of insanity, Davies was only good when played next to Laursen & Shorey constantly got beaten due to his pace and sloppy passes. Luke Young was one of our best performers in the 08/09 season. Yet all of a sudden, him being out of the team has solved our problems. It doesnt matter who replaced who, the fact is that defence last year worked! Why? Because we let in less goals. Simple. Ive said before, and Im probably going to get torn to shreads again but the main problem with that defence was Laursen as he tried to do everything - ultimately causing absolute chaos. Leggin it out of the back line time and time again to opposition players with the ball 35/40 yards from goal - MADNESS!!! Now - dont get me wrong, I liked the guy and his passion was second to none, but we have a far better defence now. And unfortunately for Luke Young, hes not a major part of it. You dont break up a defence that for a long time was the best in the league "It doesn't matter who replaced who"...... Of course it does! How can that be your response to every point I made in my post? I'll admit that Laursen occasionally messed up, but so has Dunne, so has Collins. They've passed to the opposition, they've given away goals and penalties. Collins at Chelsea? Dunne against Man U in the League Cup Final? If our defence was: L Young, Laursen, Dunne, Warnock. I believe that it would have even better than this years. You're having such a narrowminded view on this situation it's unreal. Luke Young was probably our most consistent player in 08/09. Even when he came in last year he was back to doing what he does best - defend, attack down the wing and aid our attacks. He's been replaced with a guy who can defend but has no pace and sends half of his passes into the stand. How you can justify that with "It doesn't matter who replaced who" I don't know. Narrowminded?? 08/09 48 goals conceded 09/10 39 goals conceded There is no other way of looking at it. The team was letting in too many goals so MON addressed that pretty well and unfortunately Luke Young has not played a big part in that. Now if you go back to February time - u will see me constantly slatering Carlos Cuellar - along with many Villa fans. And hes won me over again. Now Luke Young can fight for his place or take his bat home - upto him. Bottom line is - our defence is improved, and if its improving, I dont give two shits about whos in it. Like I said its marginal with Luke Young and Cuellar. Luke Young was unfortunate with his brothers death, but I wouldnt underestimate how much retiring from INT football influenced MON decision to keep him out. Because to me that shows a lack of hunger - something I can never complain about Carlos. And its possible that managers think like that. You only have to listen to what Gareth Southgate said about Jamie Carragher - 'In my opinion, England tell you when you stop playing for them, not the other way round'. And I totally agree with that, and maybe O'Neill does too. He wont hate Luke Young for it, and im sure he respects it, but it might influence that marginal decision.

I don't see why not having a tall fullback will mean we're an easier target in the air. Do people look at Barca and think they will win by hoofing the ball over Dani Alves or Chelsea's Ashley Cole or Man Utd's Evra? Why can MON not just trust his two mountains at centre half to deal with high balls? It worked when Luke Young was at rightback. It didnt tho did it? That defence last year was the best weve had for years. The 1 before with Martin 'I love you, but your a bull in a china shop' Laursen, Davies, Young, and Bouma - seemed ok, but after last year (bar Wolves and Chelsea) you realise what a shambles it was. But it did last year too. Luke Young come into the side when Collins was injured. Played in a run of 4 consecutive clean sheet's, including Man United, also Sunderland away who had scored alot of goals at home. Young Cuellar Dunne Warnock. With Luke Young right back we played: Villa 5-1 Bolton. Burnley 1-1 Villa Villa 1-1 Spurs Portsmouth 2-4 Villa (Cup) Villa 3-0 Hull Man United 0-1 Villa Sunderland 0-2 Villa Villa 1-0 Stoke City Arsenal 3-0 Villa Villa 0-1 Liverpool. So I mean, we were hardly poor in the stage Luke Young played, winning 6 out of 10, drawing 2, losing 2. Even the loss to Liverpool was so, so cruel and they barely had a shot all game. So to say when Luke Young played, it didn't work is rather daft in my opinion. No fair point, but it also worked without him. Its harsh!!

I don't see why not having a tall fullback will mean we're an easier target in the air. Do people look at Barca and think they will win by hoofing the ball over Dani Alves or Chelsea's Ashley Cole or Man Utd's Evra? Why can MON not just trust his two mountains at centre half to deal with high balls? It worked when Luke Young was at rightback. It didnt tho did it? That defence last year was the best weve had for years. The 1 before with Martin 'I love you, but your a bull in a china shop' Laursen, Davies, Young, and Bouma - seemed ok, but after last year (bar Wolves and Chelsea) you realise what a shambles it was. Why didn't it? I don't see how the height of one player on the right side of the pitch has become the main reason why our defence was so good. Could it not be the fact that we replaced Knight, Davies & Shorey with Warnock, Dunne & Collins? Knight had his moments of insanity, Davies was only good when played next to Laursen & Shorey constantly got beaten due to his pace and sloppy passes. Luke Young was one of our best performers in the 08/09 season. Yet all of a sudden, him being out of the team has solved our problems. It doesnt matter who replaced who, the fact is that defence last year worked! Why? Because we let in less goals. Simple. Ive said before, and Im probably going to get torn to shreads again but the main problem with that defence was Laursen as he tried to do everything - ultimately causing absolute chaos. Leggin it out of the back line time and time again to opposition players with the ball 35/40 yards from goal - MADNESS!!! Now - dont get me wrong, I liked the guy and his passion was second to none, but we have a far better defence now. And unfortunately for Luke Young, hes not a major part of it. You dont break up a defence that for a long time was the best in the league

I don't see why not having a tall fullback will mean we're an easier target in the air. Do people look at Barca and think they will win by hoofing the ball over Dani Alves or Chelsea's Ashley Cole or Man Utd's Evra? Why can MON not just trust his two mountains at centre half to deal with high balls? It worked when Luke Young was at rightback. It didnt tho did it? That defence last year was the best weve had for years. The 1 before with Martin 'I love you, but your a bull in a china shop' Laursen, Davies, Young, and Bouma - seemed ok, but after last year (bar Wolves and Chelsea) you realise what a shambles it was.

Where do you work??

eh? Well I saw it It is true, I heard on ITV HD channel the coverage cut out. The mother in law was complaining about that. Hehehe. So it was just the HD channel?? That makes more sense

eh? Well I saw it

BBC easy!! Does Lawro and the bloke last night even get on? There never seems to be any connection and loads of sly remarks at one another

----------------------Friedel------------------------- Cueller----------Dunne----------Collins------------Warnock --------------------------Petrov--------------------------------- ------------------Milner---------------KP Boateng--------------- Downing-----------------------------------------------------Young ----------------------------Gabby---------------------------------- Subs: delfouneso, guzan, Keane, Young, Albrighton, Weimann, Clark I honestly dont think our team needs much work. Just need to be more deadly infront of goal - which I do believe Gabby is capable of. I think Downing will do a Milner. Weve seen glimpses and hes not been that much worse thatn Jimmy in his 1st season. Also, we lack a plan B off the bench. I think Robbie Keane, could provide that. Biggest signing of the summer for me will be James Milner.

Well obviously, but I dont think we need to be raving about him yet is all im saying.

No one criticised the club. Just saying a Wayne rooney type player is what I get excited about. The amount of young players weve wasted our time getting excited about. I mean what the feck happened to harry Forrester?? how many players have come through at the 16 since then? not many at all at any club. Players develop at different rates, Forrester looked quality a couple of seasons ago but has stagnated for whatever reason, I know he's had a few injuries but I think he might come through this season, the coaches were very impressed with him at the end of last season. Im not saying its not rare. Just saying thats what would get me excited. some kid playing in the under 16s doesnt im afraid :? Rooney played in Everton's u16s once you know Im not sure what your point is

No one criticised the club. Just saying a Wayne rooney type player is what I get excited about. The amount of young players weve wasted our time getting excited about. I mean what the feck happened to harry Forrester?? how many players have come through at the 16 since then? not many at all at any club. Players develop at different rates, Forrester looked quality a couple of seasons ago but has stagnated for whatever reason, I know he's had a few injuries but I think he might come through this season, the coaches were very impressed with him at the end of last season. Im not saying its not rare. Just saying thats what would get me excited. some kid playing in the under 16s doesnt im afraid

And if he does then he will never make it as a footballer anyway. No ones saying anything bad. Just dont know who the kid is, and probably wont for a few years.

No one criticised the club. Just saying a Wayne rooney type player is what I get excited about. The amount of young players weve wasted our time getting excited about. I mean what the feck happened to harry Forrester??

we have ourselves to blame though, we had a good opportunity twice to finish 4th and we blew it. when was the 2nd?

Who doesnt? im not going to get excited bout some 14 year old kid, who mite not even make it yet

Something David Moyes and Everton get tremendous credit for

u have the power Trent

No, they were both a bit older than 16 when they 1st played. Delfouneso is deemed ready at a time when Wayne Rooney had already been v.influential at club level for a couple of years

Just bought me a bucket of chicken wings. u get any change?

While I wish the kid the best of luck, I find it very difficult to get excited about some 14 year old. Why have we never got a wonderkid ready to go - they always seem to be in the making at Villa. Of course this lads too young at mo, but I want to hear about the 16 year olds that are ready to take the premiership by storm

I honestly believe that there will be a lot of people dissapointed if he stays now. A lot of fans seem to have already spent the money, although no news on any deal has even been said. Even the constant daily links arent happening anymore.

People say that ironically as if to say you do win stuff with kids. Despite it happening maybe twice in 150 years of English football. I think, apart from statistical abominations, you win nothing with kids. Chelsea won it this year with a fair few old heads,and Man U have also done been the same over they years.. eh?