Kiwivillan

Having stayed out of posting in this thread (mostly for the fact that it's almost impossible to have a reasoned debate) I'm somewhat surprised that this particular quote is the one that makes me break my vow of silence. SnC, if you believe in the bible (which I don't believe is in doubt from the previous 100 pages), I'm amazed at how you can hold this view. As you are a fan of quoting the bible, I thought I'd give you John 14:6: "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I'd have thought it pretty clear, if you want to get God, you have to believe in his son. I don't see how you could believe in the bible and believe other than this. Its very hard to explain.. One man dosnt believe in Jesus v a man that does.. Something in the life of either person triggered that way of thought/belief. So who's fault is it they gained this thought/belief, the man or the trigger? Adam fell for the trigger right at the very start... For the majority it's what Dawkins rightly decribes as a hereditary virus. I didn't choose to be baptised Catholic. My parents decided for me. When I was old enough to discern I rejected religion. It has been my experience(particularly in Ireland) that many people who count themeselves as belonging to a particular faith but "don't really believe" continue to christen their children,get married in church service, do so as a sense of tradition, or that it's the done thing. As for people who become religious in adult life, there is strong evidence that points to particular personality types being more susceptible/predisposed to accept religion. Im talking ALL through life of mankind, all through life in the bible....From the very start Adam didnt listen to God and its trickled down ever since...Its written down from the very start. We knew this way before Dawkins came about.. Why do think God made the flood in the 1st place? Why do think he made strict with laws and regulations in Leviticus? Why do think he gave us Jesus? All the time its to try and save us..Teach us...Yet all the time we still turned to sin as a whole, as a creation..Like Adam, we are destined to turn against God and lean towards sin...The bible is dead right in what it says..Our hearts are sick, wicked, sinful etc.. Man's behaviour is worst than animals and its the human race that is destroying and having so little respect of the world/universe. 1. Mankind existed before the bible was written. The Jewish race came to power around 1350BCE. The old testament is written by Jews about Jews for Jews 2. Adam was the first person on earth as much as the Maui slowed the sun by catching it in a net and beating it with his club in Maori legend. 3. The flood refers to the flood in the Black Sea that affected a lot of the civilsed world at the time, of which people that became the Jewish nation were likely involved. 4. Following Leviticus literally is mental as I have already pointed out as you would hate disabled people, woman will be unclean for two weeks as opposed to one of she has a daughter vs a son, curing leprosy is done by dipping a live bird into a dead birds blood then wiping on patients ear etc etc. Just by mentioning Leviticus I think your a troll. If your not will you take on board with an open mind what I've countered or will you admit to being brainwashed by not even considering it?

Having stayed out of posting in this thread (mostly for the fact that it's almost impossible to have a reasoned debate) I'm somewhat surprised that this particular quote is the one that makes me break my vow of silence. SnC, if you believe in the bible (which I don't believe is in doubt from the previous 100 pages), I'm amazed at how you can hold this view. As you are a fan of quoting the bible, I thought I'd give you John 14:6: "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I'd have thought it pretty clear, if you want to get God, you have to believe in his son. I don't see how you could believe in the bible and believe other than this. Its very hard to explain.. One man dosnt believe in Jesus v a man that does.. Something in the life of either person triggered that way of thought/belief. So who's fault is it they gained this thought/belief, the man or the trigger? Adam fell for the trigger right at the very start... For the majority it's what Dawkins rightly decribes as a hereditary virus. I didn't choose to be baptised Catholic. My parents decided for me. When I was old enough to discern I rejected religion. It has been my experience(particularly in Ireland) that many people who count themeselves as belonging to a particular faith but "don't really believe" continue to christen their children,get married in church service, do so as a sense of tradition, or that it's the done thing. As for people who become religious in adult life, there is strong evidence that points to particular personality types being more susceptible/predisposed to accept religion.

Having stayed out of posting in this thread (mostly for the fact that it's almost impossible to have a reasoned debate) I'm somewhat surprised that this particular quote is the one that makes me break my vow of silence. SnC, if you believe in the bible (which I don't believe is in doubt from the previous 100 pages), I'm amazed at how you can hold this view. As you are a fan of quoting the bible, I thought I'd give you John 14:6: "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." I'd have thought it pretty clear, if you want to get God, you have to believe in his son. I don't see how you could believe in the bible and believe other than this. I'm pretty sure after following this thread God's not going to bother arguing with a JW...

Shit. Do you have to believe in the bible to be a charitable person?

Speak for yourself

Uh-oh. Work productivity just plummeted.... you bastard. You bastard MrDuck. Managed finally to get to Bangladesh and now I need to be **** D.A.R.Y.L. to progress. Enuff

Jesus bro! Read the bible. It's all in there. You clearly haven't read and understood it. Don't ask Julie though. JW have some wierd convoluted shit about 144000 cut-off limit. Then there is this Watchtower line about followers that die that doesn't fit with the bible.

Yep Really big in NZ. Have a illegal beard at the "mo". It's my palette. Probably opt for paedo Mo

Where are you getting these quotes from taken completely out of context? Wait, what? Are you saying my interpretation of the bible is wrong? :shock:

More WIN from Leviticus. It's official. God hates disabled people. Leviticus Chapter 21:16-20 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, "Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken."

I don't think you are at all interested in what the answer is to that question you are just trying to post up scriptures taken out completely out of context to try and catch someone out. Adultery was not permitted under the Mosaic Law - as it is in some Muslim countries today. If a man or woman committed adultery they could be stoned to death under that Law. However as I showed with King David who added to his crime of adultery with the wife of one of his generals.... by having the woman's husband killed in battle, he sincerely repented and was spared the sentance as was Bathsheba. Please focus. Do you believe the following is true or made up: 27And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. If you believe in belly-swelling and thigh rotting then I'm afraid you're retarded.

Julie, are you sure of your ancestry going back 10 generations? Any bastards in there and you can't be in the Lord's congregation

Mark chapter 16:16: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Thirty-five christians died in America between 1936 and 1973 as a result of handling rattlesnakes. In 1998, John Wayne "Punkin" Brown, the leader of Rock House Holiness Church in Alabama died from a rattlesnake bite, leaving his 5 children orphaned as his wife Melinda had also been killed 3 years earlier handling rattlesnakes.

Julie or steaknchips. Please tell me you don't believe Numbers 5:12-31 literally?

Genesis chapter 19:30-38: Lot gets drunk, has sex with both of his daughters and makes them both pregnant (earlier on he offered them to a gang of rapists, Genesis 9:8 ). 2 Peter chapter 2:6-8. Lot is given as an example of a "righteous man".

More hilarity from Leviticus Leviticus chapter 12:2: ...If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days... Leviticus chapter 12:5: But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks...

This is God's cure for leprosy according to Leviticus 14:2-52 Why wouldn't you take the bible literally!

Anyone know what this about?

Glad this is all over and we've sorted it out... No? Ok then... Why do people who aren't Jewish believe in a book written by Jewish people, about Jewish people, for Jewish people then co-opted by the Romans. Also why is the Jesus story a conglomeration/carbon-copy of religions that existed before the Jewish people existed as a recognized group.

Are you Jewish?

I think most people baulk at mention of canopies, nephilim, and 400+ year old people living in ancient time as fact. (taken out of context to the quoted post but just saying you nailed your colours to the mast early on) How about this. Jesus wasn't born in a manger surrounded by animals, shepherds, and magi, nor wsa there a great star in the sky. I completely refute that and for very good reason. I'd mention the fact that he wasn't born on the 25th of December but I'm sure you knew that was the case being a Pagan festival that they used.

Why no Asgard in the Bible?

I just watched Thor and it dawned on me that there us no mention of Asgard in the Bible. No self-respecting historical book would leave this out. Proof positive that the Bible is nonsense. I rest my case.

Ok 1st level. Have to absoulteley destroy the slow bowlers

FARKKKKKKKKK. Too hard 1st level. Was cruising along needing 5.5 per over to win with 3 wickets in hand and Jones comes and cleans me out. Way way too frustrating