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and secondary school. What are you saying exactly. I never was taught to take it literally in it's entirety. That would be moronic. Beyond that here's a fact for all christians. Jesus never said the things he says in the bible. They we're attributed to him... hundreds of years later. What im saying Kiwi...Is that you wouldnt act like you do if you have read and "understand" the bible.. The "reading" part was never a problem in the past for anyone...Yeah, yeah, yeah ive read the bible word for word etc and its all messed up and has little substance, its contradictory, its flawed, it dosnt fit in, blah blah blah...We've all been there.. But do some homework and can get unbiased material available to research it all yourself.. It opens sooo many doors in understanding EVERYTHING! I said this before you freak. You and yours think that anyone that has read the bible and does not believe didn't read it properly, doesn't "understand". How about you read it for what it is. Written by man, used to control peasants.

and secondary school. What are you saying exactly. I never was taught to take it literally in it's entirety. That would be moronic. Beyond that here's a fact for all christians. Jesus never said the things he says in the bible. They we're attributed to him... hundreds of years later.

Do you think it is realistic to expect mankind to have entirely figured out the entire scientific process and stages of evolution and have provided fossil evidence to support it, despite the fact fossils are as Bicks has pointed out rather limited. Can you explain where dinosaurs sit within the creation story, or how about neanderthal's? Did Noah include a couple of them on his ark? I struggle to see how anyone can dismiss science because there might be a few gaps here or there in favour of total belief in a book that was written 2000 years ago. A book that has been edited and changed throughout the ages to bend man's will to the power of an elite few. You may well be right that there are areas to be questionned and further studied within the process of evolution, we will likely never have all the answers. Yet you are by your own admission prepared to accept the bible as being without any flaws! If you think there are a few gaps in the theory of evolution then you seems to be willfully oblivious to the fact you can walk a few dinosaurs through the holes in the bible. Let me guess dinosaurs weren't real and are a creation of the follower of the devil doing his work here on earth! No flaws in the bible? That is your problem right there. Great post... The dinosaurs lived with man, this is mentioned in the bible. Why couldnt they go on the Ark? where's the holes in the bible on this matter? Most of the dinosaurs came from eggs, does the bible say Noah took fully grown animals on the Ark? If so, I havnt read or seen that..Also in the bible, God chose the animals and delivered them to Noah...It was up to God which animals were to be saved. And I think if God could create a universe, delivering a few animals to the Ark wouldnt have been difficult....Aslo, if you think dinosaurs are millions of years old, why? Have you researched it? Or do you just believe what a bunch of old scientists and the media have told you?

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For any kids out there watching, this is why when at a party or meeting new people in a social settingyou never bring up War, Politics, or Religion...

Contrary to popular Christian belief that was not written by John but by a young dude high on shrooms.

I was brought up to believe and read the bible at church and school for 14 years but apparently according to some on here I haven't really read it properly or understood at because I no longer believe. Oops I enjoy the insight into to how crazily our society is shaped by these anachronistic cults. It's usually rare that I have a debate on the street with a christian that has a better understanding of the religion as a whole without mindlessly quoting scripture.

There's no point arguing. They will tell you a circle is a square if it says so in the bible.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn't write the gospels. FACT

It's a close second; you forgot the Honey Badger. What do you think a honey badger who's a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses would be like? They don't use the internet so they couldn't back up their claims by copy and pasting creationist websites

Dear oh dear. That means Charles Taze Russell translation and the Watchtower prescriptions except of course for the predictions that were wrong and were brushed under the carpet

Science could easily be defined as the process of finding flaws. See, that's the thing, there's this widely held misconception that science is this rigid, unchanging, set-in-stone body of knowledge when it is really the direct opposite. Quite true. Egyptology and paleontology(with regards to dinosaur skeletal arrangement) were seriously flawed at the turn of the last century and have progressively been addressed. This is the opposite of fundamental religion which attempts to invent history to justify the Bible

Finding athiests who have actually read the bible and are not just regurgitating the usual arguments is just as hard. :winkold: Pull your head in. Baptised Catholic and 12 years of Catholic schooling. It's the knowledge of the religion and the bible that ultimately made me think it was a load of rubbish.

This thread reminds me why I'm petrified of a Republican winning the next US election. That the previous president and the majority of GOP candidates, maybe wisely not publicly but, privately subscribe to ideas that are fantastical, un-scientific, anachronistic, and borderline crazy scares the crap out of me that they could hold office in one of the most powerful countries in the world.

Getting fundamental religious people to understand flaws in the bible is hard and I'll prove it.

Books like Chariots of the Gods are what got me interested in the Bible in the first place and evidence of a highly advanced global ante deluvian civilisation. If the deluge did happen then this would be a legend that is deeply ingrained in the history and legends of the World. That is exactly what we find. Chariots of the **** Gods? Holy shit. I think you may have found someone, in Erich von Danniken, whose "theories" are more ridiculed than creationists. On par at least. Wow! Von Daniken?! Heh, this thread just keeps getting better! Or is it sadder? When people reference Von Daniken "as evidence" the argument is over before it even started.

How do you know it was not taught by Jesus?

Quite, and God and his son Jesus (plus also the Holy Spirit) didn't go to all that trouble creating them in seven days and stuff for this. Watch out. Don't mention a trinity or JulieB and steaknchips will be on to you how there is no scientific proof of a trinity.

Can you please stop justifying crazy christian evangelists by using other crazy christian evangelists as some kind of testamonial.

If it bleeds, we can kill it

I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; one third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence. —Bobby Henderson

Books like Chariots of the Gods are what got me interested in the Bible in the first place and evidence of a highly advanced global ante deluvian civilisation. If the deluge did happen then this would be a legend that is deeply ingrained in the history and legends of the World. That is exactly what we find. Chariots of the **** Gods? Holy shit. I think you may have found someone, in Erich von Danniken, whose "theories" are more ridiculed than creationists. On par at least. Wow!

Really?..... it took me about 1 minute to Google "Halloween and the Flood" and I found quite alot of information including the following - Let's keep it polite please - NV It only took me a minute to find the authors are fringe creationists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Genesis_Flood:_The_Biblical_Record_and_Its_Scientific_Implications The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and its Scientific Implications is a 1961 book by young earth creationists John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris that "produced a stunning renaissance of flood geology,"[1] elevating the hypothesis "to a position of fundamentalist orthodoxy"[2] while both polarizing evangelicals and carrying young-earth creationism "to an ever wider Protestant audience."[3] .............. After opening with the declaration that "the Bible is the infallible Word of God,"[17] Whitcomb's section provides biblical arguments for a universal flood[18] as well as attempting to refute non-geological difficulties with the biblical account.[19] .............. Outside conservative religious circles, The Genesis Flood created "hardly a ripple of recognition."[29] Not surprisingly, it was ignored by mainstream geology journals; less accountably, it also remained unreviewed in any of the dozens of periodicals covered by Book Review Digest. At a talk given to the large Houston Geological Society, Morris was ridiculed by the president in his introduction, and Morris's call for questions at the conclusion produced none, because as one member said, the audience was "too stunned to speak."[30] Whitcomb and Morris "attributed the impasse between themselves and their critics to competing cosmologies."[31] They argued that the term science could refer only to "present and reproducible phenomena" and that contemporary geologists who discussed the history of the earth were thereby operating as non-scientists.[32]