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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

    I dont think the money was the main focus to be honest. I think bruce did play  a major role in him coming here. Terry probably had interest from the likes of Boro and other top championship clubs. He also could have gone abroad if he wanted to for I am sure more money. 

    I think if Bruce doesn;'t win weekend he is in massive trouble of losing the fans as a majority of them have been patient and seen strides have been made. But with a big crowd expected and on sky they are going to HAVE to put a performance in. 

    I could be cynical and say Birmingham is closer to Chelsea than teeside (& abroad)

    if it was down to Bruce or ‚arry I think he‘d have chosen ‚arry

    as it was Aston Villa or the scum, well no contest there.

    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, hippo said:

    Maybe so. But the original point was that a 1 year rolling contact helps keep Bruce in situ

    only to positive effect if he‘s doing well

    He is not

    5 minutes ago, hippo said:

     I was just pointing out that it actually can make him cheaper and easier to get rid of than on a standard fixed term contract.

    On a fixed „till the end if the season“ contract, the compensation amount reduces with every paycheck he gets paid.

    There is nothing cheaper about a „roller“ over an „end of season“ contract

    Easier to get rid of is not a matter of fact

    To get rid of someone all you have to do is inform them that they are no longer employed and pay up the compensation.

    It is simply that „easy“

    (you need a board with balls though)

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, hippo said:

    Maybe so. But the original point was that a 1 year rolling contact helps keep Bruce in situ

    only to positive effect if he‘s doing well

    He is not

    5 minutes ago, hippo said:

     I was just pointing out that it actually can make him cheaper and easier to get rid of than on a standard fixed term contract.

    On a fixed „till the end if the season“ contract, the compensation amount reduces with every paycheck he gets paid.

    There is nothing cheaper about a „roller“ over an „end of season“ contract

    Easier to get rid of is not a matter of fact

    To get rid of someone all you have to do is inform them that they are no longer employed and pay up the compensation.

    It is simply that „easy“

    (you need a board with balls though)

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

    I don't punish those who work for me for making an occasional mistake. You can interpret that as a lack of accountability if you like. But I can assure you that's not what it is.

    If I had an employee performing well and then I punished him as soon as he or she made a mistake, I'd be a shit boss.

    If you dont address the problem then you‘re surely a shit boss by defintion?

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    Bruce is on a rolling 1 year contract - that IMO protects the club more than Bruce - we can get rid of him at any point for a years salary £1-1.5m ?  - Had he been on bog standard 3 or 4 year deal it would be more costly to get rid of him.  

    It was a mistake. He should have been offered a contract till the end of the season with an option to 1 yr extend if he either narrowly missed out on promotion (by bad luck or something) or indeed got us up.

    The extension would also garantee him the rest of the 1yr sum if he failed that extension year to meet the clubs targets

    That would have been fair

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    The coaching staff won't be on anything like that salary - in relative terms they will cost pennies to get rid of - I really don't see that protecting Bruce at all 

    then you missed my point

    The cost of „sack one - sack all“ would take us over ffp

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    I think Bruce would pretty easily get another championship Job - if he wants it. 

    yeah 4 promotions, british, media friends....etc

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    I don't view the picture if we don't get promoted as gloomy as you do. Sure some of the better players will leave - but we are a championship club - if PL clubs come in for Chester, Kjodia we would probably have little option anyway. 

    how much will it cost to replace them?

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    We are a tough to beat in unspectacular team - any new manager coming in has to tweak what is there , he isn't facing the total rebuild that RDM was faced with ...(and did poorly...) 

    tweak it with how much to spend?

    31 minutes ago, hippo said:

    Whatever the reason, blame bruce or not - we need a guy who can stick the ball in the net - sort that and we are one of the better championship teams - either now or next season...

    I believe we spent 30+mill on those types

    We are F***ed

    it only time that keeps it away from being apparent

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Eastie said:

    Not a chance in hell Rafa would come here with no money left to spend .

    The time to attract a quality manager was summer 16 with loads of cash to spend but xia hung his hat on RDM and millions were pissed down the drain as  result 

    I think we can safely say

    RDM pissed Millions up the wall (not all of it - JC, Jedi, Adomah, Kodjia for example)

    Bruce Pissed our talent down the drain (too many to mention)

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    Steve Agnew

    in Other Football

    Posted · Edited by Grasshopper

     

    12 minutes ago, TRO said:

    Nah! can't be the players, they don't have much to do with it......best squad in the league.....its must be the coaches;)

    just trying to keep a bit of consistency, is all.

    normally the true answer is somewhere in the middle. But not in this case.

    But keep it up Tro. By the time it sinks in that we are still here come August 2018, it‘ll be too late.

    Bruce will only prove you wrong, so you can enjoy the pleasure of watching it all unravel before your very own eyes.

    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    When this season is over and we are stuck in this league for next and many more seasons, we can thank Bruce and his backers (those keeping him in a job/too scared to sack him) for wasting a one time only golden chance to return to the PL

    The football

    the decisions

    have been awful, wasteful, havent worked and wont work.

    From next season on ffp has us in an ever decreasing financial restriction with 3 teams relegated every season from the PL with the financial pull that we blew

    Every year 3 teams come down and have 3 years of more money than us. When they blow it, they will become just another „us“ looking up at the next 3 who come down who have another 3 years of more money......... ad infinitum

    rinse and repeat

    All for the love of Bruce-Ball, 4 promotions, he‘s British..........ad infinitum

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    Steve Agnew

    in Other Football

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Demitri_C said:

    And and what about the two and half months that Terry's been injured? 

    Wake me up when Terry is back.

    We can then compare the league table before and after and also the ppg ratio

    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    to meIt looks like Bruce is massing his way to being unsackable.

    All the time he‘s on a 1yr rolling contract, however good or bad he does, he‘ll always get a payoff.

    Wyness & Round targeted him so they are standing by him. All Bruce has to do is keep „the possibility of promotion within reach“ for them to keep backing him and blind Tony with  the „we are experienced guys, we know what we are doing“ mantra.

    Meanwhile, Bruce surrounds himself with his „boys“ keeping the „jobs for the boys“ chain in tact.

    It starts with Wyness -> Round -> Bruce -> Agnew -> Clements -> Calderwood and god knows who else.

    Tony is confronted with a „Sack One - Sack all“ senario. We are on the ffp borderline, Sacking that lot more than likely sends us over the edge. So it‘s in for a penny, in for a pound.

    We‘ve had this before with Lerner and we have it again with Xia. Lerner was too stupid as a business man to correct his own mistakes.

    DrT will need some almighty big balls to disturb the nice little nest that Bruce has around him. Those above and below him are dependant on him for keeping them in a job. AND thats what it is A JOB, paid hansomely.

    None of Wyness, Round, Bruce, Agnew, Clements or Calderwood are Villans at heart. They are all more than likely well aware that this is „as good as it gets“ for them. So they‘ll ALL cling on for dear life.

    One only has to ask oneself.

    Where do any of them go from here?

    Nowhere. When they fail at this job, they are all done in football at PL & Ch level.

    When they‘ve all been shipped out, what will we have left?

    1 - An owner with his hands tied by ffp (regardless if anyone thinks he has money or not)

    2 - no staff or players to even maintain a status quo

    3 - a half empty stadium of disillusioned fans

    DrT would only get a percentage amount of Capital Assets value, because, no-one would have the money or dream to take us on

    In the meantime all we have is Shit Bruce-Ball as our spectacle

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted · Edited by Grasshopper

    36 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said:

    Like addicts with a death wish, we cannot resist returning to the scab, certain that one last chance to pick at the crust and expose the moist canker, will offer insights not previously understood. It won't, we are all still dying.

    I actually found that quite apt

    Steve Agnew

    in Other Football

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, Reivax_Villa said:

    I reckon Clemence will be given less responsibility. 

    Bruce has spoken so highly of Calderwood and to be fair to him, our defence has improved since he has arrived. 

    Our defence has improved because of John Terry and the assuring effect he has had on SJ

    It‘s not down to Calderfook

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

     

    1 minute ago, TRO said:

    In my humble opinion.....We do not possess the strength of "forward" to carry this promotion campaign to any serious threat with Kodjia out.

    I disagree completely.

    if we were set up with

    SJ

    Bree/RDL/Elmo Chester Terry Taylor

    That defence should be able to keep a clean sheet

    Snod Lansbury/Onomah Grealish/O‘Hare Hourihane Adomah

    Hogan/Davis/Gaby/Kodjia

    those MF/CF front 6 could press the F*** out of EVERY team in the CH and half the PL teams Burnley and downwards in the table.

     

     

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    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

     

    13 minutes ago, TRO said:

    Steve Bruce did this at Blues IIRC bowed to fan pressure, started playing more attacking and lost the resilience and went backwards.....Its not as simple as some think.  

    As usual, in your efforts to explain „your position“ of blaming the players & not the manager, you have unwittingly stumbled upon the solution.

    If Bruce bowed to fan pressure (meaning GH, Vretti, Stagman, TT, Trent and a few others - who are clearly mental and completely wrong) the onsueing result would be either

    1 - we lose and hastens the sacking of Bruce :clap::cheers:

    2 - We‘d win our way to 2nd/6th and nay have a chance of winning the playoff

    Fine by me

    in fact Bruce-tastic

    @TRO you‘re a F******* genius

    Tro for president

    Steve Bruce

    in Other Football

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, peterms said:

    It's not so much "should have been" targetting automatic promotion, more that this was in fact the target, and 2ppg was seen as a rough and ready measure of whether we were on course for that.  If we achieved an average of 2ppg and didn't get promoted, Bruce would not have met the target set by Xia.  Some people have seemed uncertain about whether automatic promotion was the target, for example asking for links to demonstrate it.  Perhaps the last couple of pages indicate that people do accept that this is the case and that it doesn't need to be further substantiated.

    If we get promoted via the playoffs, then everyone will be enormously relieved and grateful about getting out of this division.  I doubt that anyone struggles to find promotion very welcome, not just acceptable, however achieved.

    But if we get up via the playoffs after an unconvincing season (and this has been an unconvincing season, so far), then I would be very surprised if Xia were to think that everything was just fine and dandy, and that he should stick with the manager as the way forward for the club.  There are questions there in any event even if we somehow made second spot about whether the playing style is what the club wants to see, about whether we are building a strong squad to move forward and so on, but they probably are seen as more pressing questions if we don't get an automatic promotion spot.  Those questions are what are on people's minds, and they don't just go away if we get promoted.

    spot on

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