brummybloke

its a good job the ever reliable of recent, downing is playing on the right again, in a position which makes albrighton and him in efective. great work lads downing OFF, young on the left albrighton on the right and either another midfielder on or another proper player up front.

goallllll

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i think he can cross the ball very well, but he is being made to be something he is not, he is not some silky holding ball winning player, he is a very good left winger who in the odd game may benefit the team playing just behind 2 forwards in the coveted 'tommy johnson' role as he has a great shot on him also. playing him on the right has made his performances drop dramatically, same with gabby, looks aweful on the left wing. no doubt the fact he scored will justify to some his inclusion on the left. gabby and downing are great when played in their correct positions, if they cant be used in their correct place, make them subs and use other players in their correct positions ( i understand injuries permitting). cuellar has been used on the right back slot, it is working, so that is fine and he is decent there, however the experiment of downing on the right has failed as has putting gabby in downings proper position.

Im seeing ALOT of sideways and backwards passing in that. I also note how not a single cross into the box was successfull. Not good for a winger. indeed, it doesnt help anyones cause for saying he was good last night. i like this words in peoples mouths some people are using, like pretending people have said he is shit, odd really when people are saying he had a shit game or has been playing shit for a few games. i cant be bothered doing a specific search for posters saying downing is shit full stop but if i could be bothered i am guessing it would be less than 5% of the board.

Totally disagree. He WAS our best player for the first couple of months but then that isn't really saying much. Since the storys linking him with a move away came out he has been terrible, not a coincidence imo. His performance in the Man City 4-0 game was alarming and last night wasn't much better. they were pretty much all crap in that man city game but when we are at wigan with new found confidence you would expect one of our most talented players to get the basics right. it doesnt suprise me the people who are blindly defending his performance last night, they seem to think that because he has a stinker of a game and is called on it, that all his good games are forgotten about and that he is being called a shit footballer. it is a childish opinion

Sorry don't agree on Makoun... I thought he looked very tidy... very quick and decisive with his passing...doesnt need to run all over the place because he does what he does efficiently. It was his debut for god sake..... give him a chance! Bent made some great runs and would have been dissappointed alot of them weren't picked up. We should have been at least 3 up by half time. We had some very flowing moves at times. This, and also sideways passing isn't a bad thing. It allows you to retain possession and wait for space to play a ball forward into instead of the aimless hoofing we resort to at times which just gives the ball away and leads to us being put under pressure again. In fact it's just what we needed to take the pressure off towards the end of that match. Its the continental way of playing , not wasting passes and keeping possession until spaces are created. He probably doesn't understand that though , considering he has been on Houllier's back since the day he arrived and probably still thinks that MoN's teams played scintillating 'passing' football. Why make short 5 yard passes when you can hoof it long? i would be suprised if people are complaining about keeping safe retention of the ball, i can fully understand however the frustration of seeing an attack break down because downing wants to slow it all right down, then due to choosing to do that, the opposition regroup and close him down, then when cuellar or collins has a striker bearing down on him, hits him the ball, the defender then has to go on the turn and pass it back to brad who then has to hoof it under pressure. THAT is what is people are complaining about.

Firstly just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it 'so' and it's also for me a load of bollocks as it has been for plenty of others who watched the game today. are you a mod? no is the answer. why not give your opinion on the game rather than comment on my post? I did. I said your opinion was bollocks. what a childish opinion

I wasn't there. Watched on a stream. Really good quality though. I thought he played alright, like a lot of other people commenting (read this thread). Like I said, he did lots right and lots wrong so it amounted to an OK performance. i can understand how you came to your conclusion (some things right some things wrong = ok), however he was one of our best players until around christmas time so for me to see him doing what he did today was just plain horrid to watch. unless he has been told to not go past a player and to not deliver a dangerous ball into the box, he isnt doing his job. those are the things he does best and he did neither tonight. for some games early on in the season , he was our entire attacking threat when young started being all silly but now he is starting to go backwards in terms of ability. when i saw your comments i presumed you were blindly giving out praise despite him playing shit, however i can as mentioned, see your reasoning. when a player plays well i say it, when they play crap then i also say it, i dont have any 'favourites', they are all my favourites when the whistle goes. ( although childish though it is, i want bent to take the pens as it would give us more chance of having all the cocks who said we paid too much look even more stupid)

Firstly just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it 'so' and it's also for me a load of bollocks as it has been for plenty of others who watched the game today. are you a mod? no is the answer. why not give your opinion on the game rather than comment on my post?

double post, sorry

Sorry, utter rubbish. just asking, did you actually watch the game? i read yor description and you make it sound like he played well, so from that i can only presume you di not in fact watch the game. he was shit, it isnt up for discussion

well if gabby is eithe rplayed upfront or on the right, he will be fine, put him on the left and he is shit. this is hands down, downings worst game this season, bottled EVERYTHING gave it away, poor decision making poor **** everything. put us under pressure countless times through stopping an attack and passing it back to a defender under pressure. stop **** thinking about your **** opta stats for completed passes you fanny fart, you have been doing this for the last 8 weeks or more. NRC was what we hoped Makoun would be oddly enough, until around the 70 to 75th minute when i guess having had to cover for chicken shit downing as well as do his own stuff AND try and protect makoun, he got **** knackered. for me cuellar was man of the match, bearing in mind the cock he had to also cover he was a beast tonight. bent for me should have scored early on, i was almost more suprised he didnt put it away, same with the second effort although downing did try his best to **** it completely up for him. i thought ashley young was great tonight for his energy, but please to **** god, he is not a second striker, he put in countless challenges in their half to stop them having easy posession but he should be delivering it in to bent rather than running around putting in tackles. baker was ok, nothing great but his confidence grew at 2-0 until that **** downing kept putting our defence under pressure then like the rest of the team bar bent, they started bottling it. despite only playing with 10 we were very comfortable and 2-0 up despite downing. i am guessing either he deliberately played the worst he has played in a good 12 months as a protest to playing on the wrong side or he is looking to get dropped. petrov steadied the ship but again he was played into trouble by the every shit tonight downing. makoun did some decent stuff but the game passed him by, im glad he started and also that he came off when he did, he was looking a little lost in the end. he did some nice things though so showed promise, didnt see ay salmon like leaps from him, more tinned tuna but i guess with confidence in the team he will get better. first 70 or so minutes everyone acept downing gets an 8 last 15 minutes bent was our best player holding it up to relieve the pressure. dunne and collins were not bad but were not as good as the other day. albrighton looked short of pace for the 8 minutes he came on or what ever it was. GH, well we won so technically he gets a 10 however please **** please do NOT play downing on the right any more, he is NOT any good on the right, if he were he would have played some part of the last 20 years as a player on the right, he hasnt. and gabby on the left? in the summer time when the pitch is firm and grassy he can use his pace and have time to turn, in the winter time he has less time to turn and the going is not as firm under foot. if he plays he needs to be up front with bent or if not i dont think he should start i prefer albrighton on the right. on the left it again is easy for me, either downing or young and drop the other to the bench downing has been one of ourt best players up till around 8 games ago when he obviously thought he would try and get the highest percentage of successful passes no matter what, and passes the ball back at every opportunity no matter how good a position we are in when going forward, he would rather pass it back than whip it into the box. that is very wrong and needs **** sorting. well done though for the win ( im still pissed off at how downing was SO shit tonight)

awesome i can see them getting another now, young off and keeping downing on? wtf?

TAKE DOWNING OFF FOR **** SAKE HE IS DOING **** NOTHING

and a **** agin GET DOWNING ON THE **** LEFT FOR **** SAKE

well that has to be one of the WORST performances by downing for a long time, **** hell you negative tool, STOP turning back in side and passing it back to collins on the turn who HAS to pass it back to the keeper due to being put is a **** stupid position. STOP breaking down EVERY **** attacking move and then slowing the whole **** thing down and STOP booting the **** ball over the **** bar. for **** SAKE. gabby, is he playing? we may as well put petrov on and downing on THE LEFT if we are not going to use gabbys pace. we should have got 2 goals by now but through 1 player in stuart' **** play on the left youfucking cock' downing **** EVERYTHING up and gabby seeing less of the ball than stevie **** wonder we are playing 2 players short. it needs swapping round, it doesnt take a **** genius, either take gabby off and get albrighton on and put downing at LEFT wing or just simply swap downing to the LEFT and gabby to the right. i will say makoun is looking pedestrian in the middle, i think he may come off in a while although we dont want to knock his confidence we cant afford to let them walk through the middle of us time after time. gabby on down the right and keep feeding him the ball, he will skin fingerherhole who should get his second yellow. then swap gabby for albrighton who can actuall pass the ball into the danger area. a suprising lack of energy in the middle of the park from us. young is doing well as is NRC , Bent should have got 1 cuellar doing the business. come on biys for **** sake lets get a **** win, i would rather take the points against teams we are closer to than man city if it was either - or .

**** hell downing for **** **** **** sake you are playing like a **** cock gety on the **** left before you **** up any further

**** downing for **** sake, get on the **** left you bell end

get downing OFF the right for **** sake, gabby doing **** all again on the left.

need a bent hatrick tonight, although that sounds like a ghey threesome!

and thats why i have been saying we need darren bent for the last 4 years. he will be worth the money, we just need to either get gabby into the game more or swap him around with ash young who can cross with left or right foot. for me ratings were Brad - 8 - some good saves there old boy, well done cuellar - 8 - solid and was attacking coming forwards, a little more confidence in going through rather than lay it off but good work dunne- 8- far better from fat boy, looks up for it at last collins- 8- his challanges were better timed today and when it needed hoofing he hoofed which is better. clark - 7- great effort from the youngster, got a new anus ripped when adam johnson came on, but most left backs to so no shame, kept his discipline after an early yellow downing-6- kept the ball but seems to be trying to be something he isnt, **** your stats for pass success, keep an attack going rather than pass it back to a defender on the turn who then has to pass it back to brad who then boots the shit out of it, no need!. gabby-6- most of the game he wasnt in it, but at the end, when we needed an outlet, he was still willing to give it some, he knows he didnt have the best of games but instead of sulking, took one for the team. petrov-8- unlucky towards the end having done a good 1-2 and was making space towards their area when barged off the ball, kept it tidy and some smart passing, he was **** after the move i just mentioned and taken off. maybe 10 minutes earlier for him to be subbed so he can recover for the wigan game would do but we won so the choice was the right one. albrighton-7- some dazzling wing play mixed in with some quite negative stuff, i dont want to see the ball going back to the keeper just because you dont want to lose the ball, seems to have lost some pace, knackered maybe? still some great work, shame a few of his crosses didnt reach their normal standards. ran his nuts off. young-8- stopped his **** moaning and silly shit and BANG he is back to what we love him for BENT-10- 1 shot, 1 goal. no messing from me, he is there to score goals and get points, he did it. subs nrc-6- came on and got in the way of their players, good work. im not convinced young should be playing where he is or gabby, they need changing around, downing seems to be a floater at the moment. IF we can sort that out then we will be even better despite me not liking where those 3 played, we won, we battled, played some good football and beat one of the most talented teams in the league. GH, WELL WE WON so 10 i changed my fantasy team, signed BENT and made him captain, dont let me down.

i will be hoping he doesnt play, although i bet he starts this one, as does barry. i was gutted he left but the money has been used on a top striker, something we needed more than a new midfielder

utter shit first half, downing? one of our best players doing **** all, no running, no chasing and drifting all over the middle of the park, slowely. get out on the **** left hand side you lazy rocket polisher. gabby? wtf? you are meant to be up front yet you are everywhere BUT up front. stay up **** front. Carew? use your strengths you sloth footed bell end, dunne? is he playing rugby? he seems awesome at kicking the ball 50 foot in the air and about 5 foot in front of him. why are we not using our strengths? albrighton on the RIGHT with walker behind downing on the LEFT with clark behind NRC petrov in the middle carew up front and gabby floating UP FRONT it really is not difficult, either they players are **** stupid or the tactics are **** stupid or both sort it out for **** sake, a decent team would have scored 2 or 3 against us so far.

i dont blame heskey, i blame GH. heskey was up front on his own, then despite **** up 2 pretty easy chances for a forward at any level does some decent work. he pushed that clearing in the woods henderson away as he was running right into his face and yes it was stupid to raise his hand but even the commentators were saying it was nothing. i was fully expecting us to crunch every tackle when they had the ball after that, not deliberately injure them but to go in as hard as they could and then keep the ball and play keepy ups with it and then volley the ball into which ever minge from sunderland was on the floor ( or infact GH, he has been the biggest minge so far this season). the biggest crime was playing 1 up front at home, against sunderland WTF? no attacking threat, only in the last 7 minutes with dunne up front did we do anything vaguely resembling putting them under pressure. **** shameful away, inexcusable at home. if NRC could pass the **** ball to his own player we would inmprove by at least10%, he does everythig but keeps the ball with our players, he rns, challenges makes runs, and then after breaking his blls winning the ball, he makes a stupid pass and BANG.. the ball is back with the opponents. **** pissed off i am tonight. either buy 3 top class ( and i mean TOP CLASS) players who can win the ball, keep it and distribute it to one of our pwn players, a goal scorer and some **** who can hit a free kick on target