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Palace are a lot better to watch than Stoke generally well.

He has adapted slightly even if the essential gameplay is still direct.

 

Just amuses me watching a team of his without a long throw specialist.

Wait until he builds the team in his vision and  starts buying your standard big ***tards like  Kenwynes Jones', Crouchies, Palacios', Jeromes and Kitsons at £5-10m a pop. 

I know Ancellotti likes his midfielders but c'mon son, you don't need Rodriguez. Kroos I can understand as he's clearly Alonso's replacement.

 

Modric Kroos

 

Ronaldo Rodriguez Bale

 

Benzema

 

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Benzema would be the first one I would be replacing.

Very good striker but never world class, and rarely does it when it matters the most.

It was a stroke of genius to let one of our best players run his contract down to the point he had only 12 months left on it and in a World Cup year to boot.

 

I wonder which genius was responsible for that little gem? Faulkner, Lerner or surely not Lambert. Utter shambles

No, you are right.

In the midst of relegation battles we should definitely be handed out new contracts, and pay rises, and who is to say he would want to commit amongst the uncertainty.

But no, erveryone is an idiot, in hindsight.

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Exactly. I think Lambert is working on the basis that "things will get better in time", I think he sees a chink of light at the end of the tunnel. Credit to him. Most managers would have walked at the end of the season and would have been well within their rights to do so.

 

Lambert comes cross as somebody who wants to look up at the stars in the sky rather than the mud in the gutter. I hope he is the man that leads the mighty Villa back to glory in time.

 

For that, you need a plan.

 

Not the Lerner 5 year plan or a plan for a lot of money from rich owners. Those things are beyond Lambert's control.

 

I mean a plan on how you can compete on a football field. It's not easy when you don't have a lot of quality players - but football is a team game and is not won by balance sheets. It doesn't have to overly elaborate:

 

- Start with a modern football philosophy (e.g. movement, ball retention, short passes, keep the ball on the ground)

- Work to a formation, with well defined roles

- Find players that fit those roles

- Drill this into your players and coaches at all levels.

 

Will this bring immediate results? Of course not. But there should be improvement over the short term and medium term.

 

So is Lambert doing this? I doubt it. I see nothing resembling any sort of plan in the football being played over the last 2 seasons.

 

Is Lerner to blame for that? Nope. He's to blame for the quality of player available to us but not for the style of football being produced.

 

The simple truth is that Lambert does NOT need better players to introduce this "plan". The day when we can afford/attract them may never come - new owner or not. He needs to work in the present so that, if that day comes, we are ready to step up instead of just getting started.

 

Sadly, imo, this is beyond his capabilities. His football is archaic and quintessentially English. And it's failing. In fact, I'd level that at most of the managers we have had since I started supporting Villa 20 years ago despite brief flirtations with European football.

 

We need a complete turn around in our football philosophy. Getting a manager outside of Britain (for only the 3rd time, ever) might be a good start.

 

I agree, let's bring Dr Jo back.

 

Exactly. I think Lambert is working on the basis that "things will get better in time", I think he sees a chink of light at the end of the tunnel. Credit to him. Most managers would have walked at the end of the season and would have been well within their rights to do so.

 

Lambert comes cross as somebody who wants to look up at the stars in the sky rather than the mud in the gutter. I hope he is the man that leads the mighty Villa back to glory in time.

 

For that, you need a plan.

 

Not the Lerner 5 year plan or a plan for a lot of money from rich owners. Those things are beyond Lambert's control.

 

I mean a plan on how you can compete on a football field. It's not easy when you don't have a lot of quality players - but football is a team game and is not won by balance sheets. It doesn't have to overly elaborate:

 

- Start with a modern football philosophy (e.g. movement, ball retention, short passes, keep the ball on the ground)

- Work to a formation, with well defined roles

- Find players that fit those roles

- Drill this into your players and coaches at all levels.

 

Will this bring immediate results? Of course not. But there should be improvement over the short term and medium term.

 

So is Lambert doing this? I doubt it. I see nothing resembling any sort of plan in the football being played over the last 2 seasons.

 

Is Lerner to blame for that? Nope. He's to blame for the quality of player available to us but not for the style of football being produced.

 

The simple truth is that Lambert does NOT need better players to introduce this "plan". The day when we can afford/attract them may never come - new owner or not. He needs to work in the present so that, if that day comes, we are ready to step up instead of just getting started.

 

Sadly, imo, this is beyond his capabilities. His football is archaic and quintessentially English. And it's failing. In fact, I'd level that at most of the managers we have had since I started supporting Villa 20 years ago despite brief flirtations with European football.

 

We need a complete turn around in our football philosophy. Getting a manager outside of Britain (for only the 3rd time, ever) might be a good start.

 

I agree, let's bring Dr Jo back.

If was lucky enough to be a paid footballer i would never join a comedy outfit like villa. Vlaar will go to manure im sure van gaal rates him this ia the same negative feeling for me when we lost barry milner and young vlaar like the rest are and were our big performers i am convinced without vlaar last year we would be in championship now

Do you do anything other than moan?

 

It must've been a right old struggle only having 43m to spend. Good job his sound tactical knowledge was intact otherwise we'd have gone for sure

To re-build a whole team? Yeah thats shit load.

 

Whilst reducing the wage bill?

I think he has done a fantastic job in that regard.

 

bent wrecked bents career 

 

I'd say Villa did

 

We spent a LOT of money on him, he scored goals and did his job keeping us up.

 

We then, in our infinite wisdom sold BOTH our wingers (for a combined 38m) that were supplying him and replaced them with one N'Zogbia, not so much a winger as an attacking wide player for approx 10m

 

Thus his goals dried up and people started expecting him to be a completely different type of player than the one we'd signed and that'd got him to the stage of being an 18m striker in the first place

 

Utterly ridiculous set of events

 

You mean a striker who cost us £18m and 65k a week, who has clearly lost the yard of pace and the sharpness that made him what he was shouldn't be expected to change his game?

Lerner dosnt pick the team lambert preferred bowery ovet bent that is unforgivable bent might not have played well but the fact he cost 24mil which we paid shows he must be half decent. Lerner sanctioned the move he aibt to blame

So because Bent cost £24m he should have played, right.

No, it is clearly Lambert's fault.

He should have continued playing Bent, when it was clear he couldn't score goals for us, he should have continued to hold Benteke back and keep him on the bench when it was clear he was the future and everything we were lacking a forward.

Lambert should have continued playing Bent and watched us get relegated.

What a joke of a statement.

Villa have wrecked bents carear infact lambert can take the blame imo bent is worth no more than 2mil

 

but at that time when mon was after a striker,harry would not sell us bent, heskey was 3m? 

 

this thread is about RL.. my question is the sums do not add up? this club is turning over 60-80m a season but 10m is on playing staff,take wages 40m that leaves errrrrr alot not invested in better players,

 AVFC has the 7th or 8th biggest seating stadium in the league, with regular gates 70-80% full.. that alone & tv money should get 20-30m every year for the manager, yet this year 10m..something wrong

40million wages? I thought it was nearer the 60mil ish mark now.

 

Doesn't the club still owe RL money? I remember seeing someone say I think it was last year or the year before that RL was meant to take back 20mil that the club owed him, but he never because of the shit our finances were in.....Did he ever take back that 20mil and does the club owe him anymore?

 

Why should the club owe him anything?

If he wanted to spunk his money on the wall hiring and firing garbage like Mcleish, signing players like Ireland with no manager in place, 28 year old striker for £18m and no sell on value, handing out 5 year deals to 35 year olds then that is his bad, not ours.

The guy is a clown, and the sooner he ****s off the better.

Yeah Bent scored a lot of goals for us one season, how many was it again?

9 in 16 when he joined us in January, His goals were a big factor in us staying up, I agree.

He was a good signing, just a horrible, horrible piece of business.

He single handedly kept us up then we basically ruined his career. Some payback

The old he kept us up myth so he paid the transfer fee back instantly myth.

As excuses go, it It is up there with Liverpool's 'we sold Torres for £50m so the £35m spunked on Carroll doesn't count'

I don't think he was a waste of money. He was a top class goalscorer at this level. We just took away his supply. Even under McLeish his goal scoring record was good. I'd like to see him given a chance.

You don't think paying out north of £30m in fees and wages for Bent was a waste of money?

Is that you Martin?

He needs to start the season on form, if he doesn't when Kozak and then Benteke come back he will not get another look in.

He really is playing for his future, I hope he can prove me wrong.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/10972321/Chelseas-Josh-McEachran-to-take-Spanish-lessons-ahead-of-potential-loan-move-abroad.html

Most ridiculous thing I learnt reading this? McEachran is on £30,000 a week!

...and Chaloboah(sp) is on 25k, and Bertrand is on £35k.

...and we wonder why you bright youngsters tail off after they hit a certain point, hunger.

 

 

 

Everyone knows Darren Bent is a goalscorer yet nothing else.

He is a luxury player. Put him in a team with 9 other quality outfield players or a team playing well and he will make the runs and score the goals.

Put him in a struggling team and they may as well be playing with 10 men.

Not really. He was the best player for Charlton when they got relegated and helped turn us around when we were really struggling. You can afford for the striker to be a luxury player precisely because he is a striker.

Maybe he has just lost it then? We can't afford any player to be a luxury player. We're not good enough.

To premmature to say. He had a poor season at a Fulham side in complete turmoil right from the start and I don't blame him for the way the season before that panned out under Lambert.

 

Anymore excuses you want to make for him?

I did think of them to be fair, but were they relegated by Jan?

According to that 2nd site had 8 points and were 13 off safety end of Jan.

 

 

 

We weren't in the relegation zone once last season.

Your analogy would be quite apt if we were Sunderland

Trent was quoting over 2 years and to be honest we were dangling over the edge and were only safe near the end.

 

 

Even more to the point, we looked dead and buried in January 2013. No matter what props you give to Lambert for saving us, I don't think it can be said we were always 'relatively safe'. 

 

 

How any team can look dead and buried in January I will never know.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Derby_County_F.C._season

To be fair.

http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2007-2008/custom-table

I still say Lambert took on more than he can handle and,if he really is a man, he should have the courage to admit it.

I dont like him, I didnt like him right from the start ( I thought his thinking was wrong, meaning what I have said above ) I do think however that he will do a better job this season BECAUSE now he will try to do the job properly ( mixing youth with experiance ) and the young players WILL learn ( on the pitch ) as well as off it and I expect a safe position well before the seasons end.

He doesn't have to admit anything to you.

...and is that what our players need, the manager coming out and saying he isn't up to the job.

I used to hear rumours about VillaTalk and the inane moaning that went on here.

They weren't wrong.

No.My point is that the budget was no surprise to him.He knew he had to cut wages,he knew there was little money to spend.He knew everything....yet he still took the job.Meaning that he thought that he was good enough. 

He wasnt ( as we all know ) we needed someone like Moyes who ran Everton on a shoestring.

So, the bottom line is Lambert is not good enough for the Villa job,we needed someone like Martinez, Moyes.Lambert should realise this and walk away and give us a chance to find a manager that CAN work under those condidions. 

A manager like Moyes would never have come though???

Martinez turned us down????

As for the myth he ran Everton on a shoestring

...as for the backing himself part, every manager, infact every man should have the courage and belief to back himself in whatever job he does. Yet, you use it as a stick to beat him with.

 

 

 

I wasn't putting words into anybody's mouth or generalising.

 

What a lot of people seem to miss is that there simply isn't any significant money to spend right now. As somebody said earlier, it's a case of gambling on very cheap young players again (and Lambert has received a lot of flak for those kind of signings in the past) or signing older experienced players on free transfers.

 

What is Lambert supposed to do with so little to spend? If anyone's to blame it's Lerner for seemingly not even allowing moderate investment.

This is the problem, people are now acting like the 'young and hungry' strategy itself was intrinsically flawed rather than Lambert's botched execution of it. Also I don't need to keep being reminded how little money we have. I know this. All the more reason not to spend the modest resources we have on poor players only being signed because of how old they are. I still fail to see what will be achieved by this.

 

The problem is that while the spending restrictions seem to have taken a turn for the worse, Lambert was always hamstrung by how much he could spend on wages. Given the restrictions he's been under I don't think he's "botched" anything.

 

Hang on a minute.When you apply for a job, dont you ask what the wages are ? dont you find out what the conditions of employment is ? or do you just sign up anyway ? My point is that Lambert must have known what the conditions were before he took the job.So dont say he was hamstrung by $$ conditions ...He knew that AND STILL took the job,so he is either very ignorant or thought he was better than he really is>

 

Whether you know about the conditions or not prior to taking the job it wouldn't stop you being hamstrung by them regardless. You should be thankful he did take the job, another manager would have took us down the way this club has been run from above the past 5 years

Must be true then and even if it is, a youngster going out and getting smashed?

Well and truly off the rails he is.

 

cambiasso on his way to west ham so rule him out

 

 

 

Lol think we saw that coming, teams around us have done some real good business so far this summer. smh

 

...but even if we did sign him, there would be outcry for signing a has been, if we had signed a up and coming youngster, there would be outcry for not signing experience, proven players.

As for the clubs around doing great business, care to share them?

Who have Stoke, Sunderland, Leicester, Burnley, Palace, QPR, Swansea and WBA signed that we are gutted about? Even Hull.

Bardsley,Jutkiewicz, Snodgrass and Pantilmon.

Yeah, no thanks.

I thought Lambert had infered that the club had 'moved on' and that Bent was unlikely to ever play for Villa again. If he does then a dose of 'egg on face' for Lambert.

Would you rather the alternative?

A pig headed egotistical manager, who would never admit to being wrong and would stick by his decisions no matter what?

I think Bent is finished tbh, but if Lambert can swallow his pride, get him motivated and get him playing again then that is good management