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Because Liverpool are marketed better in Europe and across the world. It doesn't mean Liverpool have more fans than Everton in Liverpool though (I know they probably actually do but it's not the landslide some people seem to think) It'd be the same for us. If someone came to you and said they were from St Petersburg you'd assume they supported Zenit. If they said they were from Prague you'd assume they supported Sparta Prague. In fact, in our build up to our match with Slavia Prague it's amazing how many people kept on calling them Sparta Prague. You'd can't expect someone thousands of miles away to know about internal politics of a city they've never visited. They will only know what get's taught or makes the news over there.. and that isn't gonna be Everton.

Everton would be a good investment for a club - for a football fan. A solid club with good support, no debts and pushing for Champions League. I admit having Liverpool on your doorstep is a pain but people are talking as if Liverpool take all the fans in Liverpool. I think the red/blue divide in Liverpool is quite apparent.. it's not like the blues are huddled in a corner afraid to make a noise. You grow up in Liverpool supporting Everton or Liverpool. I think alot of Liverpool's larger fanbase actually comes from outside the city.

I don't like Everton and I don't like you. Happy now? Actually, that's a lie.. I quite like Everton purely for the fact they haven't bought a quickfix success like Chelsea and like Man City are trying to do. They built a solid squad over the years without spending a great deal of money. Plus, they hate Liverpool as much as I do.

Bob Mortimer supports Middlesboro. It must be boring to be a Boro fan though. They've done absolutely nothing for... well.. ever.

As boring as they may be - as I said in the OP they are our main rivals for 5th spot. Can't just write them off just because they aren't the most entertaining team around.

I'm glad you agree with me, for once

I listed him in my little collection of 'admirable mentions'. Not the most fashionable of players but he does the job he's put in the team to do. You don't become a Premiership captain by being shite.

Jagielka is a very good player. I might even go as far as to say he's almost half as good as Laursen.

Hard for us to say, because we have the claret and blue tinted glasses. I'm not sure of any Everton player I would have in the Villa team. Lescott maybe depending how strongly Bouma comes back, but now Luke Young has shown he can play there I'm not even sure about that. I wouldn't have Cahill or Arteta as I feel Sidwell, Petrov and Barry are all better. Perhaps Yakubu. He's a pretty decent striker.

I'm for it, in extreme cases. If there's any chance of rehabilitation then obviously not.. but some people are persistent offenders and feel no remorse for their crimes. If they are a danger to society then I think the death penalty is the best thing. A life in prison is not a life anyway - all it does it cost the government, and consequently us, to keep them alive. I think prisons are an all-to-easy solution to criminal punishments. There should be a big reform in which more minor offences are worked off as a debt to society, doing horrible jobs no-one wants to do... and at the other end of the scale the Harold Shipmans need to just be killed. There is no way people like that will ever be allowed back into society, so why pay thousands of pounds a week to keep them alive at her majesty's pleasure?

I couldn't agree more. In fact, if you ask 100 people for Everton's most important player you'd probably get 6 or 7 different answers. Not many teams can do that. Lescott, Jagielka, Howard, Pienaar, Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Saha, Neville, Felliani, Osman.. all very good players who play a very important part to the team.

It was a question, not a statement, Ms Defensive. When is Pienaar likely to be fully fit again? He offers your team a real edge of creativity you're lack a little at the moment. If you can get him back to full fitness and get Cahill and Arteta playing well again you could start playing some good football again. As important as getting results is, teams will probably start to find the credit crunch really starts to hit them if they don't play entertaining football. Even if you are winning games, the average fan is still not going to want to go see a boring 1-0 90th minute win. Teams like Bolton could really start to suffer hard soon. Everton have started feeling that already, but I think they have the potential to entertain and get crowds back in again.

Howcome Pienaar hasn't been starting much for you this season? IMO he's one of your best players. Perhaps a bit erratic and inconsistent for Moyes?

That's what worries me - that's exactly what they are doing. They are playing some of the dullest football in the league. But they are getting the results and after looking like their could be out of the race for 5th with their disastrous start, they've got themselves back on track with some really good results.

I think the last Everton thread was closed because it got a bit.... heated... But as we have a few Everton fans on here, and, at the risk of writing off Hull, they are realistically our main challengers to 5th spot in the league, I thought it might be time to discuss them again. Considering their terrible start to the season, and the fact they are not playing particularly good football, they have had a series of good results and are now breathing right down our necks, after just picking up a point against Boro (not the best result for them I'm sure they feel as they were the home team.. but it's a point more than we managed...) They have a decent keeper and a settled back four, with a decent midfield and 2 strikers who, if they can keep fit, are capable of scoring goals. Fallaini (sp?), although was an obvious panic buy is turning out to be a pretty decent signing for them aswell. I'm glad our first game against them is away though.. their home form is certainly not as good as their away.. This could well become one of the most important games of our season.

The Police have come up with a new scheme in Liverpool to disperse rioters. They will fly overhead with a helicopter and drop Job Application Forms.

A masterclass in how to look like you're about to drop dead at 5 oclock in the afternoon.

In Alaska it is illegal to wake up a sleeping bear in order to take it's photograph. In Massachusettes (sp?) it is illegal to eat more than 3 sandwiches at a wake. In Iowa piano players with one hand are not allowed to charge for their performances.

The feature film certainly wasn't one of their best but I thought it was still a great episode. Highlight for me was certainly his apology.

After the recent tethering-on-the-edge-of-total-economic-and-financial-meltdown couple of weeks it seems economic systems and their workings have pushed their way into the need-to-know-category. Well thanks to a friend from rural Ireland we can now simplify this all down to what makes sense and explain 21 economic models with cows. It is remarkable how much sense it all makes from this real world perspective ;-) SOCIALISM You have 2 cows. You give one to your neighbour. COMMUNISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both and gives you some milk. FASCISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both and sells you some milk. NAZISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both and shoots you. BUREAUCRATISM You have 2 cows. The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away... TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows. You sell them and retire on the income. SURREALISM You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons. AN AMERICAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. Later, you hire a consultant to analyse why the cow has dropped dead. ENRON VENTURE CAPITALISM You have two cows. You sell three of them to your publicly listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute a debt/equity swap with an associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax exemption for five cows. The milk rights of the six cows are transferred via an intermediary to a Cayman Island Company secretly owned by the majority shareholder who sells the rights to all seven cows back to your listed company. The annual report says the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more. You sell one cow to buy a new president of the United States , leaving you with nine cows. No balance sheet provided with the release. The public then buys your bull. A FRENCH CORPORATION You have two cows. You go on strike, organise a riot, and block the roads, because you want three cows. A JAPANESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create a clever cow cartoon image called 'Cowkimon' and market it worldwide. A GERMAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves. AN ITALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows, but you don't know where they are. You decide to have lunch. A RUSSIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 2 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka. A SWISS CORPORATION You have 5000 cows. None of them belong to you. You charge the owners for storing them. A CHINESE CORPORATION You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim that you have full employment, and high bovine productivity. You arrest the newsman who reported the real situation. AN INDIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. You worship them. A BRITISH CORPORATION You have two cows. Both are mad. AN IRAQI CORPORATION Everyone thinks you have lots of cows. You tell them that you have none. No-one believes you, so they bomb the sh#t out of you and invade your country. You still have no cows, but at least now you are part of a Democracy... AN AUSTRALIAN CORPORATION You have two cows. Business seems pretty good. You close the office and go for a few beers to celebrate. A NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION You have two cows. The one on the left looks very attractive...

Sorry I haven't posted in this thread for a while. 12 minutes ago I got my arm trapped in a toilet seat.

I'm a little bit worried about how much some people here know about executions and methods of killing...

So when people say 'haha, that pissed on your bonfire' they are actually saying they want a quick death. Luckily, when people argue that I'm wrong that's what they often get..

I don't like Mythbusters. It has a continual habit of telling me everything interesting I know is actually wrong.

It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. If you did your eyes would fly out of their sockets.