100%-Villan Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Desperation by two consortia this strikes me as. Posh, I can fully understand your sceptism but believe me Ellis cannot now **** up any takeover. He is not stupid Is that just your opinion or are you informed?? I hope it's the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 This might mean that Doug is still trying to cling to power while selling some shares. petchey might have also agreed to sell his share giving any 'new' owner a majority shareholding but with Doug still having a minority stake. I dont believe this is possible mainly becasue Ellis wouldnt need a merchant bank to sort this out, he could just arrange a private trade between himself and whoever he wanted. Furthermore, it has been made perfectly clear by every bidder except this one that Ellis would have no executive role. They would not say this if this wasnt the information they had. Padfield, being blunt, seems to know nothing. No-one seems to be telling him anything. Maybe his bid isnt anywhere near ready. Maybe, if he really hopes to compete in this matter he needs to come back off holiday. Again, the noise is all wrong. Talk of considering a merge with neville for example. Maybe he doesnt have the cash for a whole club buyout? maybe he actually *needs* Ellis and petchey to retain shareholding if he wants to complete this. IMO it will be over long before Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Here's a thought from a different forum but one to explore, why shouldn't Neville look to bring in others - share risk, maybe add more money as a joint bid? I agree Neville could be a good front for the AV06 bid. Neville knows that he cannot compete with them financially, but he has seemed to do a lot of ground work and will not want it to go to waste - might not be a bad thing if it comes off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 EDIT:Sorry if that sounds harsh. I'm very grateful for the info people are passing on, and if it wasn't for them I wouldn't be here reading nearly every single post, all day, every day! I'm just frustrated. Supporting Peterborough and Villa. You really did pull two short straws there mate! :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Ellis has had it, there is no way back IMO. But he can prolong the process by being awkward. I cannot see the takeover getting to this stage and doug backing out, I just cant. there is a rule about him causing "frustration" to potential bidders. Big trouble if he does this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattley Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 This might mean that Doug is still trying to cling to power while selling some shares. petchey might have also agreed to sell his share giving any 'new' owner a majority shareholding but with Doug still having a minority stake. I dont believe this is possible mainly becasue Ellis wouldnt need a merchant bank to sort this out, he could just arrange a private trade between himself and whoever he wanted. Furthermore, it has been made perfectly clear by every bidder except this one that Ellis would have no executive role. They would not say this if this wasnt the information they had. Padfield, being blunt, seems to know nothing. No-one seems to be telling him anything. Maybe his bid isnt anywhere near ready. Maybe, if he really hopes to compete in this matter he needs to come back off holiday. Again, the noise is all wrong. Talk of considering a merge with neville for example. Maybe he doesnt have the cash for a whole club buyout? maybe he actually *needs* Ellis and petchey to retain shareholding if he wants to complete this. IMO it will be over long before Tuesday Do you know the 1 comment Padfield made which I thought 'oh shit' at...... When asked if his consortium had the fincances in place he replied... 'I believe we do'.... I **** believe we do...FFS, surely if they we serious about buying Aston **** Villa they would definately have thje funds in place.....ARSE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Lerner seems the only one with a proven track record. yeah but he isnt exactly busting a gut to get it over and done with!!!!!! As far as you know. If he was it would be over and done with by now or very soon, but we look as far away from a takeover as ever! I have concerns over this Lerner bid to be honest - what would a Yank want with a marginal English Football Club (in nowadays terms). I know we have potential, but it's not like we are a Manure/Glazer situation is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahamaad Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 The impression he gave in the interview was that not only did he know nothing at all about Villa, he seemed to have little interest in football full stop. Now, I couldn't give a toss if a buyer supports the club but I at least hope someone in that consortium has actually been to a game of football before! EDIT: So good, I said it twice! Agree with you. He seems to have some sort of ulterior motive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewiek2 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I don't trust Neville or Padfield. To make some sort of bid, to show intent they need to have everything in place, not show they CAN and MAY have things come together. It just shouts out amateurish to me. I wouldn't go buying a house or car without knowing I've got the cash or credit to pay for it. So why are they nowbacktracking on their original claims of having the finances in place. Lerner and Still can both walk the walk as well as talk the talk. These guys are SERIOUS players and to be honest, as far as I can see, are totalyl out of Neville or Padfields league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 And this isn't really a takeover is it? It's just investment. Well, what was said was that Padfield didnt know what Ellis wanted as he hadnt talked to him IMHO this bid is in serious trouble, they are making all the wrong noises. Seems to be between Lerner, Still and whoever the others are that we dont know about. I think that you may be wrong, the AV06 bid may be behind, but are they about to steal the march? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Is Padfield actually saying "If Doug Wants to keep some shares he can do" do you think perhaps maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 How does anyone on here know the strength on Stills bid? We don't know his backers for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Posh, I can fully understand your sceptism but believe me Ellis cannot now **** up any takeover. He is not stupid Richard thats a classic! I wish I was as stupid as Ellis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocafella Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Padfield and Ellis will start meetings on Tuesday next week? We don't have that much time do we? ****'s sake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 When asked if his consortium had the fincances in place he replied... 'I believe we do'.... Well, exactly, which rather gives credence to the theory that this group are suddenly making alot of noise becasue they just realised they arent in the same league as lerner and Still (and mystery other). First there was this promise of player cash this morning, then this long interview tonight. if this goes the same as last week, I would say that what this interview tells me, above anything else, is that one of the real players is about to make a real move We will see, but personally this interview rather confirms my view that things are actually moving swiftly to a conclusion, just without Padfield or neville on board, and unsurprisingly they arent happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablopicasso Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 tbh, we didnt learn anything new tonight that hasnt already been discussed on here.... my take is that neville and padfield combining, shows that both dont have the necessary funds... also shows that they dont have a decent plan because they have yet to meet up and discuss combining consortiums, let alone actually being close to putting in a bid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_av Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 I don't trust Neville or Padfield. To make some sort of bid, to show intent they need to have everything in place, not show they CAN and MAY have things come together. It just shouts out amateurish to me. I wouldn't go buying a house or car without knowing I've got the cash or credit to pay for it. So why are they nowbacktracking on their original claims of having the finances in place. Lerner and Still can both walk the walk as well as talk the talk. These guys are SERIOUS players and to be honest, as far as I can see, are totalyl out of Neville or Padfields league. AV06 IMHO are seriuos players and they are well in Lerners and Stils league if we read the stories right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattley Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 How does anyone on here know the strength on Stills bid? We don't know his backers for a start. This is the whole point about this soap opera of a takeover, we dont know anything about any of the consortiums!! Well saying that we do know now that: a) Neville has no backing (probabaly) Padfield knows feck al about football and believes he has the backing (probably doesnt hence looking at merging with Nevviles consortium Lerner bid is quite as is Stills, so who knows what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Is Padfield actually saying "If Doug Wants to keep some shares he can do" do you think perhaps maybe? I think he is asking Doug to please keep some shares, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 Is Padfield actually saying "If Doug Wants to keep some shares he can do" do you think perhaps maybe? IMO any consortium who would allow Ellis to retain any power and/or shares going forward are as welcome at Villa Park as a dose of the clap. AVO6 can **** off if this is an option they would consider. Padfield sounds like a clearing in the woods who has absolutely no knowledge of the club or its fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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