leviramsey Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) That's irrelevant. Did Norman go helmet-to-helmet with intent to deliver a kill shot? If Odell Beckham is a safety, the suspension is not controversial. The only thing that keeps this from being multiple games before appeal is the Giants being one of the favored franchises (basically the Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Bears, and Packers). Edited December 21, 2015 by leviramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 And the fact that they have been flexed in to prime time this week against a Minnesota team that might be without AP, so could be a delayed suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) If anything that makes a suspension more likely. The Concussion movie that comes out on Christmas. The NFL wants the Beckham story to go away by Friday when the movie opens. No suspension: all media coverage of the game focuses on Beckham. Terrible PR for the NFL. Delayed suspension: all media coverage of the game focuses on Beckham and how the NFL delayed a suspension to appease TV. Terrible PR for the NFL. Suspension reduced to fine: all media coverage of the game focuses on Beckham and him getting off, but the NFL gets to blame it on the union. Immediate suspension: mentioned occasionally that the Giants are missing Beckham, but he had to be suspended to clean up the game. NFL comes out looking good. Multi-game suspension reduced to 1 game: mentioned occasionally that the Giants are missing Beckham; NFL gets to blame the union. In rough ascending order of what the league will want. Edited December 21, 2015 by leviramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Thoughts: Quote Adam Schefter Just now · Facebook Mentions · In pregame warmups, at least one Panthers official, and possibly more, carried black baseball bats on to the field and were motioning with them towards Odell Beckham Jr. while making comments to him, per a league source. Norman later grabbed the black bat and was swinging it in pregame warmups – which, by the way, an NFL Films camera captured. Beckham, according to another source, felt threatened and it helped put him in a certain frame of mind. It does not excuse what he did during the course of the game, but it does explain what led up to the battle that still is the talk of the league today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet As of a couple minutes ago, the #Giants and @NFL were trying to make sense of why Josh Norman was carrying a black bat on the field pregame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 48s48 seconds ago Apparently Marcus Ball, a #Panthers practice squad player, was holding a bat pregame. He had to be separated from Odell Beckham pregame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Jay Glazer @JayGlazer 55s56 seconds ago Sources say Beckham and the other player got into it after a threat to end his day was made. Panthers say no threat was made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrinityRoadSteps Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Will this incident now become batgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Quote Panthers brought baseball bats to a football game as a means of threatening and intimidating players on the other team, to symbolize the beating they would receive. Some of the people with bats were Panthers officials. This has apparently happened for several games. No other team has apparently ever done this, or anything similar. Panthers players also made homophobic slurs at Beckham, and called him a bitch. Norman has a history of antagonism. He got into a fight with his own QB, Newton, and bragged about eye gouging players at the bottom of piles. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 13 minutes ago, TrinityRoadSteps said: Will this incident now become batgate Well we know why Norman calls himself Batman now! OBJ made a late, dangerous hit. Norman brought a weapon onto the field and threatened an opponent. That's assault under NJ law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 20s21 seconds ago The video I re-Tweeted of a bat-wielding Josh Norman was taken right in front of the Giants bench, not on the Panthers sidelines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Jason La CanforaVerified account @JasonLaCanfora Giants reviewed pregame incidents b/n Panthers players and Beckham. Are convinced he was threatened physically and called homophobic slurs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Quote SECTION 3 UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT ARTICLE 1. PROHIBITED ACTS. There shall be no unsportsmanlike conduct. This applies to any act which is contrary to the generally understood principles of sportsmanship. Such acts specifically include, among others: (a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent, even though no contact is made.(b) Using abusive, threatening, or insulting language or gestures to opponents, teammates, officials, or representatives of the League. (c) Using baiting or taunting acts or words that engender ill will between teams. (2) Violations of (b) or (c) (above), which occur before or during the game, may result in disqualification in addition to the yardage penalty. Any violations at the game site on the day of the game, including postgame, may result in discipline by the Commissioner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Beckham has been suspended for one game. Hopefully they appeal this BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) How does any of this absolve Beckham? Or alternatively, what's the basis for a successful appeal? Edited December 21, 2015 by leviramsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Agree, he felt threatened so he smashed the **** out of someone else over and over again, and that makes him blameless? Unfortunately it doesn't work like that Beckham should still serve his ban, if there is that kind of evidence then they should be punished too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 32 minutes ago, leviramsey said: How does any of this absolve Beckham? Or alternatively, what's the basis for a successful appeal? Norman got what he deserved. He went looking for a fight and then, "cried about it afterwards", in the words of Eli Manning. What purpose does any football team have with a baseball bat on the field? Let alone using one to point at and intimidate Giants players. If i was threatened with a weapon, verbally abused, taunted with homophobic slurs and who knows what else and then picked up and slammed on the floor by this guy i might have reacted the same way too. Norman got what he asked for and then shit himself and cried about it after. There was once a bully in the Giants locker room who got what he deserved to: Quote Several weeks after Maumalanga knocked out Davis, there was another altercation with a teammate. In the locker room after a workout, Maumalanga began teasing fellow defensive lineman Michael Strahan. Strahan tried to be diplomatic but Maumalanga let the teasing escalate to physical threats. Then Maumalanga took a swing at Strahan. He missed. The 270-pound Strahan, who has done some boxing, punched Maumalanga in the face several times then practically threw him several feet before the fight was broken up. You go looking for a fight, dont bitch about it when people dont back down from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leviramsey Posted December 21, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted December 21, 2015 Norman bitching about it has nothing to do with the suspension. Norman could have said, "that's football, I was taunting him like a bitch and he showed he wasn't going to take it", and Beckham would still be completely justifiably suspended. At any rate, whoever coaches Beckham is going to have to work on him taking taunting (even if it is against the rules, it's not all called) without getting off his game. Every DB in the league knows that he's emotionally fragile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Which is why they have all shut him down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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