Lerner's Driver

Can you please rewrite this?

Explains a lot

It's actually not possible to debate with someone who struggles for consistency in stringing sentences together, let alone arguments. Firstly, what does, "I've asked the question now twice to disprove the point", actually mean? Most probably a Freudian slip. Secondly, Villa's league position and or style of play are not really 'disgraceful' are they because that is a ridiculous overreaction. They are both 'disappointing' but for anyone with a shred of common sense, they are also 'to be expected' given the circumstances of recent years. Thirdly, your view is no more 'proper' than anyone elses simply because you come down firmly for or against something and that's the thing you just don't get. I have no wish to engage with you on the matter of Steve Bruce because you've said it all...

You see, this answer of yours it what infuriates people so much. Your style of discourse is blinkered to such an extent that not only do you continue to stick to your inflexible and monotonously expressed point, but you also wrongly accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing. You attract criticism not really for the substance of what you say, though that is also questionable, but rather the way you say it. Stevo and others have repeatedly stated that they remain undecided about Bruce, which is actually how we should all feel about every manager all of the time, not just Bruce or Do Matteo or Wagner, all of them. This is the logical, sensible position to take where you see good and bad in everything. There is no absolute perfect answer in football or life and yet some, like you, insist that there is. You are wrong and it's your failure to see this which winds people up so much. Continue doing so in a deliberate way and you may just find your freedom of speech curtailed. A little humility goes a long way in good debate.

I've been trying to work out precisely what it is that I find so beguiling about you and I think I've finally worked it out. It's your absurd and now (quite frankly) utterly boring absolute certainty and the fact that you just keep saying the same thing again and again. However, I've had a break through, you are actually right, it's time for Steve Bruce to go. I'm not going to give him a chance because I've been persuaded by your passionate and well argued insights. Quite frankly, I'm amazed I took this long to realise I was wrong and you were right all along. Because your opinion.

This a new low, even for you - you're not even bothering to rearrange the order of your bilge now, you are literally just repeating yourself. Tell me, what do you think of Steve Bruce?

I am totally and utterly convinced by my opinion because my opinion and so should you be because my opinion. The fact you you don't agree with my undisputable opinion is frankly amazing because my opinion.

Don't expect anyone will take your bet because if you lose, you're bound to deny reality, disappear and pick another fight somewhere else for the fun of it. Trump really has such a lot to answer for.

What do you think of Steve Bruce?

With respect to you and your lists... What is it with your relentless, absolute certainty about EVERYTHING? As with most of your observations, we are all seeing the same stuff and yes it's frustrating, disappointing, etc etc. But, we don't all then arrive at the simplest possible conclusion that the thing we've focused our attention on is clearly 'shit' with only double negative plus points in its favour. He clearly isn't shit, he just hasn't shown what he's capable of for Aston Villa - something a lot of our players have suffered from in recent weeks, but are now slowly beginning to turn around. There's a subtle difference. Have you considered for a moment the possibility that this player and a few of the other new recruits, might just be nervous or struggling with the pressure? Is that okay do you think, or does it pure and simply make them tallentless gutless pansies who only deserve abuse rather than encouragement? You're not alone - plenty think its a good idea to hurl abuse, but personally I think it is pathetic and counter productive.

Agree totally Tro, but none of this is new, so why do some fans forget and become obsessed with the idea of yet more managerial change?

Sadly, Trump style shouting is all the rage these days

So don't forgive them, hold a grudge, harp on about it endlessly and make sure we understand why you are so certain that you are right. I'm bound to have forgotten by tomorrow, so I'll be grateful for your reminder.

Let's hope that's true

Correct... good spot, he's not David Platt, he's Connor Hourihane, who could end up being as good as David Platt - something neither you nor I will know until it either happens or doesn't.

Sure, nothing wrong with doubt. I doubt all the time. I'd argue doubt is actually intrinsic to success. You have to believe in what you are capable of despite the doubts, otherwise there is no point in bothering at all.

Results are ultimately all that matter. That was true whilst he was losing and it's true now.

Couldn't agree more.

Best bit about winning at the moment is the reduction, (however temporary), in the whingeing. Thank you for shutting them up Villa.

Couldn't be bothered to read the Mail article which said something like Hutton triggers contract extension, but can someone explain what that means because I would have thought it would be the club triggering it, not him?

What do you think of Steve Bruce?

Oh, you should never underestimate that, but f*** me does it become wearing sometimes when people go on and on and on and on. As they do, again and again, making the same point in a slightly different way.

It's not as if everyone can't see the flaws, or crucially that the people in charge don't care about them (maybe under Lerner, but clearly not any more), so difficult though it may be, a break in the incessant whingeing would be more than welcome.

Correct and at this precise point in time you, me and everyone else has a choice... do we take encouragement from the signs and add our own support to the momentum, (despite our doubts), or do we continue to pick holes, moan and secretly hope for the next fall that will prove us right?

Early days, but those screaming for the managers head were wrong - being patient is beginning to show its rewards. By no means has he put everything right and he has (by his own admission) made plenty of mistakes, but there are signs of continued improvement and that is all you can ask. Well done Steve Bruce and Aston Villa football club.