Thug

10 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

tbf, i would propose that American journalists are some of the least reputable and truthful out there, if they told me the sky was blue i would make sure to look outside and check if it were true for myself.

 

Oh I know that, and you know that…

8 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

yesterday i gave my opinion about the conflict solution pretty clearly you can find it i believe in you.

@Thug where is that video?

oh don’t you worry, I’ll find that video for you.. and then you will apologise, and admit that the Israeli government are not putting the hostages first.  

29 minutes ago, Thug said:

Woah, that was reported by an American news channel.

not my framing.

let me find the YouTube video 

And what is it with you and your obsession with trying to catch me out?

Ive said a million times the hostages need to be released.  Hell, they  shouldn’t have been taken in the first place.  

I want them released. As soon as possible, without conditions.

No doubt Hamas put conditions on their release, but the Israeli side have so far refused to negotiate.  
 

There have been Israeli officials on tv That have quite clearly stated they will not negotiate with terrorists.

What framing did I use?

not the exact video I was referring to, which I shall continue to look for

around the 2:35 minute mark:

Quote

We heard from the head of the national Security Council of Israel today that are not and will not be any negotiations…

American reporter before you start debunking it.

6 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

i dont understand why people not calling this stuff out in this forum. I really dont... you should be shamed like actually you are copy of that momo person or whatever who straight up used lies and propaganda until i came and called them out.

Wow

ive seen this tactic somewhere before… not quite sure where…. 

4 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

hamas offered to release them and israeli have refused?

Dude your framing is actually wild its disgusting. 

 

 

Woah, that was reported by an American news channel.

not my framing.

let me find the YouTube video 

And what is it with you and your obsession with trying to catch me out?

Ive said a million times the hostages need to be released.  Hell, they  shouldn’t have been taken in the first place.  

I want them released. As soon as possible, without conditions.

No doubt Hamas put conditions on their release, but the Israeli side have so far refused to negotiate.  
 

There have been Israeli officials on tv That have quite clearly stated they will not negotiate with terrorists.

What framing did I use?

Just now, LondonLax said:

I’m not sure if you actually believe what you have written here but if you do it possibly reveals more about your prejudices regarding the Israeli government than anything else.

Which bit?

1 minute ago, LondonLax said:

The point is the pictures of kidnapped children are a form of propaganda. There is nothing anyone in London can do to find them, putting up missing persons posters has not been done by their relatives. The purpose is not about the individuals in the poster, they are there to maintain sympathy for the Israeli cause.

They know where they are.

Hamas have offered to release them.

The Israeli government have refused this offer.

The release of the hostages is the polar opposite of what they want.  They are desperate for the hostages to die in captivity so that they can use that as an excuse to continue the bombardment.

stick the posters up on the Israeli embassy wall where they can be seen by the people that can actually bring them home.

Just now, bickster said:

Prime Ministers aren’t elected in this country. Repeating this nonsense just gives people the wrong impression of the current system

if you’re going to be pedantic, then so am I.

The party that forms government is usually the one that wins the election, with its leader being APPOINTED as prime minister.

The leader of the party is ELECTED by members of the party.

Ergo: Prime ministers ARE elected in this country.

So don’t repeat your nonsense. Next time please clarify which electorate you are referring to avoid people getting the wrong impression of the voting system.

Less pedantic answer:

The last two prime ministers were not APPOINTED by the residing monarch after the PARTY THEY REPRESENTED had won a controlling majority number of seats in a general election with its present leader in office.

I apologise whole-heartedly to anyone that read my nonsense and was ready to take up arms against the establishment.

I wrongly gave the impression that the leader of a political party has an influence on voting patterns.  I was wrong to suggest that if a political party wins an ELECTION that the natural progression from the result of this election would be the said leader of said party being appointed prime minister.  It is entirely possible that the monarch may choose not to do this.  

I was therefore incorrect to suggest that they would have been Elected into office.  The correct way to have said this would have been to say that prime minister had been APPOINTED into the role after being ELECTED as leader of their party and then the party to have won the election whilst this person was in charge of the party.

Hell, I may even be wrong about what I wrote above, but I’m sure I’ll soon find out, and apologise for it too.

we cool now?

7 minutes ago, bickster said:

One of the last two didn't really have time to say Ackee 1 2 3

Neither of last 2 were elected.

The one before that had his opposition labelled as a psychopath not worthy or able to rule.

oh the irony. 
 

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

Just out of interest, do you have a source for this claim about the pictures tore down being propaganda and not actual kidnapped children? 

I don’t think he said they ‘were’ propganda.

He was referring to the perception of it being propaganda.  Can’t really produce evidence without asking the perpetrator to explain their thoughts at the time

Just now, chrisp65 said:

 

They were offering free meals for IDF personnel.

 

Apparently had cut off all food, water and fuel supply so McDonalds heroically stepped in.

Shame on those people asking for a boycott.

15 minutes ago, Awol said:

This has been a fascinating insight into how someone reasons themselves into morally bankrupt actions.

Putting up posters of kidnapped children - even British children - in public is propaganda because it makes Hamas, the terrorist Government of Gaza, look bad. 

Propaganda is a form of Information Warfare. 

Therefore, tearing down posters is fighting against Israeli Information Warfare and supporting the Palestinians.

In Britain, tearing down posters of kidnapped British children is resistance against Israel and fighting for Palestine. 

I thought it was irrational hate, but at least now I understand how those people got to that place in their heads. 

What is TRULY fascinating is those that support Israel seem to exhibit the same self centred beliefs of the country itself.  They will do everything to highlight there own suffering, but refuse to acknowledge anyone else’s no matter how many more times horrific it may be.

Ripping posters off a wall:  the only civilised response is to find it sickening.

when asked about the civilised response to cutting off water supply to 2m.people?

Silence.

There is an inherent racism in the way some posters make their posts.  Ripping posters from walls should be condemned and is uncivilised.  Cutting water supplies you ignore and champion.

I have no respect for anyone that does not value life, and people are showing themselves for what they are.

will you answer?
 

What the ONLY civilised response to someone cutting off water supplies to 2m people is before you start judging the moral bankruptcy of others?

Thank you. Let’s see if you ignore it for a second time.

23 minutes ago, Awol said:

The only reaction a civilised person can have. 

Agreed. 

what is the only civilised reaction a person can have to water being cut off to 2 million people?

21 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

Well let me explain. I was talking with thug about Israels legitimate threats.  I named every neighboring country to Israel and posted their all population numbers all those countries dont want israel existing. Israel population is 9million neighboring countries 153million.

Thug completely ignored that legitimate threat to Israel. And said that its a walk in a park for Israel to defeat all those countries and he wanted to focus on military budget. I said hold on those 153 million countries can use war of attrition. He laughed again and said utter nonsense its not WW1. 

So the question if all neighboring countries would attack Israel at the same time would war of attrition contribute to the wars outcome? i think the answer is very clear yes.

He Thug disingenuously asked you would you consider this war the war of attrition and tried to pretend that we are talking about this war. I saw what he asked you and i wanted to correct the question.

That’s a lot of angry countries. 153 million countries.  I’d still hedge my bets israel would smash 153 million countries. No attrition needed.

4 minutes ago, Pongo Waring said:

Seeing the free planestiners ripping down posters of missing British people is very sad to me 

Agreed.

9 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Did you ask these sort of questions about when ISIS did the same in pretty much all of Syria\Iraq\Kurdistan too?

Trying to shift the blame onto the organisers of a festival of which at least 240 people were slaughtered by a terrorist group is somewhat rich.

To be fair, when there is a tragedy, there is usually more than one mistake, and ergo more than one party to blame.

So he wasn’t ‘shifting blame’ rather ‘distributing’ it.

With the obvious advantage of hindsight, would you not agree that the potential risks were not fully assessed and therefore it was a mistake? 
 

Or maybe they WERE fully assessed, but the assessment was wrong.

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

I think his particular problem is exactly that, he did appear to pick a side.

His experience, his life outside politics is that he is a qualified batchelor of law, he’s been Queen’s Counsel, Head of the Crown Prosecution Service, a barrister since the 1980’s he’s also worked for Liberty and has worked as a human rights adviser.

So it was a bit odd for him to trip up and accidentally appear to endorse war crimes.

 

He’s obviously been taught the concept of backtracking after doing damage is easy.

1 minute ago, magnkarl said:

No, it is never going to be. Even if Israel manages to root out Hamas there'll be another group just as bad based on how Israel treats Gaza, and if there isn't a Gaza the same groups will be stoked by Iran in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.

The cycle of this thing is clear. Israel wins the short term war, only for whoever it is that wants to go next has built up enough. Then the Palestinian people pays for it undeservedly, and the cycle continues.

Thanks dude.

Just now, magnkarl said:

Ah, you mean the organisers who as far as I gather were mostly shot dead by terrorists as they tried to ensure that the patrons of said festival got out of harm's way?

Sure. Let's put the blame on them.

Typical 'she ran into my fist, officer' analogy.

Yo, magnkarl.

Out of curiosity…

would you classify current conflict as a war of attrition?

just asking, no reason.

1 minute ago, Tumblerseven said:

I am sorry general i cant im just a private tell me more how war of attrition doesn't exist please.

Ok, dear private.

I did not say that ‘war of attrition’ is a concept that does not exist.

I do think that if you believe this current conflict to genuinely be a war of attrition then I shall need to post hundreds upon hundreds of ROFL emojis. 
 

So I ask you to reaffirm your GENUINE belief, that this is a war of attrition so that I can stop debating with you and forgive your previous posts based on some previous brain injury or similar explanation.

38 minutes ago, Thug said:

@Tumblerseven so you laugh at my suggestion of population size not being relevant in a war.

 

ok, 

israel (9 million) vs Indonesia (275.5m)

 

deathmatch.

 

where’s your money? Come on man, you can answer this one.  You know you can.  Give it a go.

wait let me add in Nigeria.  218m

israel 9m

vs

Indonesia 275 + Nigeria 218 : total 493m

Go!

Lol, why won’t you answer dude?

come on man, not a hard question.

Ok let’s even it up a bit.  Israel has to be blindfolded.

Heck, BANGLADESH just joined in!

israel 9m blindfolded.

vs

Indonesia, Nigeria, Bangladesh.  

664m fully fed & watered.

Who's gonna win?

2 minutes ago, meregreen said:

Whatever else this is. Only a total Moron would consider it amusing.

It wasn’t in the slightest bit amusing.

That was an Ironic laugh.

Only a ‘total moron’ would not see that.

There is NOTHING amusing about death.

You, and a couple of other posters continue to justify Israel’s methods, and continue to promote this BULLSHIT self defence rhetoric.

I haven’t seen ANY posts justifying what Hamas did.

I see plenty of posts continuing to give justification of the brutal response.

I have no issue with the state of Israel, or Jewish people, but you guys seem to imply it at EVERY opportunity you can muster.

I have a pretty MAJOR issue with the ONGOING slaughter under the guise of self defence.  
 

The ONLY morons in this space are the ones that bring up words like white supremacy and naziism for any any criticism of those ‘who can do no wrong.’

I can’t be arsed to go back through your posts, so maybe you can clarify for me now whether you support the ongoing genocide and blockade of essential humanitarian supplies.

Then I will judge about whether you are a moron or not.

@Tumblerseven so you laugh at my suggestion of population size not being relevant in a war.

ok, 

israel (9 million) vs Indonesia (275.5m)

deathmatch.

where’s your money? Come on man, you can answer this one.  You know you can.  Give it a go.

wait let me add in Nigeria.  218m

israel 9m

vs

Indonesia 275 + Nigeria 218 : total 493m

Go!

16 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

You laughing at my statement of the main cause. Why? what is the 2023 Israels main cause?

The same cause it has always been.  To take the entire land of Palestine and Jordan for itself.

8 minutes ago, Tumblerseven said:

Well its your problem if you dont explain yourself and just put smiles all over.

You laughing at my statement of the main cause. Why? what is the 2023 Israels main cause?

Militarry budgets? nah i better give you this: One of the best examples of a war of attrition is World War I on the Italian and the Western Fronts. Both sides were drained until one side did not have enough men, horses, food and other military resources to continue. The term was often used to show a lack of imagination in simply throwing soldiers at their enemy.

Utter nonsense, irrelevant post.

We are not talking about warfare of WW1.

We are not talking about heroic soldiers putting their lives on the line where sheer numbers matter.

Wars these days are won by computers, not humans.

Israels 9 million could beat the Middle East’s 200 million without breaking sweat.

You know it, I know it, and Biden knows it.

But he’s still sending $100bn to them - probably to pay for the propaganda because I don’t know what equipment they need?

Large populations these days are a hinderance, not an advantage.  One American warship could probably win this war. Population : few hundred I’d guess.