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Just now, Villan_of_oz said:

I don't care that he's Jack Grealish, is this situation in time he's just another potential virus spreading moron.

 

I agree 100% which is why I can’t get overly agitated about it.

6 minutes ago, DCJonah said:

I get that to some extent. But this different. Well at least to me. 

Me not breaking the law on a daily basis doesn't involve some personal sacrifice. Me staying in during this lockdown does. 

Him just out flaunting the rules provokes a lot of anger in me. Because wouldn't we all want to do it? Go and see friends and family and carry on as normal? But we don't. We make these personal sacrifices because we knows it's the right thing to do. 

He doesn't give a shit. And the fact he did it hours after telling everyone to stay inside is really poor. 

I understand anger at him or anyone breaking the rules.

I agree it’s poor behaviour.

I don’t make the jump from that to fury or a desire/ opinion that anything other than a proportionate punishment is needed, and it doesn’t affect my views on him generally...( not saying you have done any of this).

1 minute ago, Wainy316 said:

Well it has a basis.  The original story was he was at a party and drunkenly crashed into some parked cars.

So in leaving the scene he’s avoided any breathalysers (if indeed he was drunk, which I seriously hope he wasn’t) and is only being bollocked for breaching social distancing rules.

 

Well I don’t want to come across as arguing for the sake of it, so please forgive me if I do, but leaving the scene of an accident is one offence, drunk in charge of a vehicle is another.

If there’s no evidence to show he was drunk in charge of a vehicle he hasn’t “ got away with it” as mercifully our justice system doesn’t work like that..in my view. There’s no “it”.

4 minutes ago, Didiersix said:

True enough. But aren't we getting to the point here. 

I may not know Jack Grealish. But I know what I expect of my club captain. I know what I want my club to represent, the role it should play in society. 

And this isn't it. 

If he says he loves the Villa as much as he does (and I have no reason to doubt him on that) then he knows what that role should represent full well too.

I agree he shouldn’t be Captain.

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

I think this time is difficult for many in many different ways. 

Sniping at each other on an internet forum is understandable and forgivable. 

What Jack did is so many levels of stupid and disrespectful, and that's without the rumoured drunk driving. 

If that's confirmed I'd want him sold. Some things are bigger than football. 

Sold ? I respect your view. But I think that is ludicrously over the top.

The guy went to his mates house.

Its wrong. Personally I’d have banned movement weeks ago,  and I’d lock up anyone who broke the law for a couple of days, and double it every time they did it again ( I wonder if that would include anyone who is furious at Grealish on here ?)

It’s reprehensible.

So in my world I’d throw him in jail.

Then out he comes and we carry on.

Just now, Didiersix said:

What annoys me is .......He showed himself to be a spoilt brat who thought the rules don't apply to him.

 

 

I guess many feel that. Which is what happens if you expect things of people you don’t know.

Why wouldn't he be a spoiled brat who thinks the rules don’t apply to him ? ( not saying I agree he is or isn’t)

We’ve a country full of them, and footballers are as likely as any to be so.

1 minute ago, DCJonah said:

I think if he'd done this 6 months ago the response would be different. 

It's a different world right now though. 

Is it ? It’s still a world of crimes and punishments, and punishments are still to fit the crime.

Last I checked ( I could be wrong) the punishment for the Lockdown thing was £30. I think he should get that punishment as he has admitted the issue. There are punishments for leaving the scene of an accident, and if he did, he shoukd get that. And he shoukd be punished for breaking Club rules.

On top of that he has set a poor example, so it wouldn’t be wrong to take the Captaincy off him.

But none of that provokes anger or any similar emotion in me I must confess. 

2 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

At the time of the crash obvs

So if he was drunk, and if he was in charge of the car, and if he doesn’t get prosecuted, he’s got away with it.

Yes I guess so.

Seems an odd train of thought to me.

1 minute ago, Wainy316 said:

Well if he was drunk it looks like he's got away with it.

With what ? Being drunk isn’t a crime.

Right well I now have read some of the thread .....goodness me !!

I genuinely hadn’t realised how outraged some are/ were.

I confess to not being. Bloke does bad thing, get him punished and carry on. 

3 minutes ago, Zatman said:

I dont think anybody is backing him well not on here, I think people are defending against the alleged drink driving and drug allegations

I’ve not read thread but I guess it depends what you mean by “ backing” him.

Hes wrongly broke the Lockdown Rules and Club Rules and will rightly be punished. I’m not sure agreeing that that is appropriate is not backing him.

As a player I’m backing him as much as I ever did. 

Just now, cb_82 said:

Sneek out and go round friends drinking during lockdown....

Hes not in training, hes young and he is bored.....Guaranteed if this hadn't of happen he would be out again during this week/weekend

I see. Wasn’t sure what you meant. Yes, I suppose he might have.

2 minutes ago, Spoony said:

I’m surprised anyone is backing him. He isn’t young. If I were to drink drive, crash into cars and walk away from the scene of a crime I would be fired from my job (and prevented from ever working in my profession again) and would never be allowed to live it down.

He doesn’t deserve protection or support because he’s a good footballer. He’s a grown man, with previous, and he clearly isn’t growing up and he clearly doesn’t respect those around him or what the country is going through to act like such a muppet.

At the very least he needs to be stripped of the captaincy. He doesn’t deserve it and he’s not a good role model. 

Ah I’d missed the fact that he was drinking and driving. 
edit : there’s no mention of it ?

1 minute ago, cb_82 said:

Spot on again mate, I said the same if he hadn't crashed his car he would do this again and again - Its actually a blessing that he did crash this time and didnt hurt anyone so that this stops future problems

Do what again and again ?

5 hours ago, meregreen said:

With our owners there will be no problems with debt. They have literally billions. Only problems with accounting regards FFP. 

FFP was already on its last legs. It’s finished now.

Haven’t read thread. 
Just now seen press report, “apology”, and Club Statement.

Prat. Needs to be punished appropriately and have Captaincy taken off him.. Not the worst thing I’ve seen people up to in this crisis, sets a  poor example, not the end of the World.

25 minutes ago, Delphinho123 said:

I’m getting married on July 25th. What are people’s thoughts..

You must be mad ...

...nothing to do with the virus though..

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

Nope it was Crawhaw's workforce protesting about lower wages and not being able to afford to eat. Their symbols was a loaf of bread covered in Blood. Essentially the workers from the coal mines and Iron Works.

Meanwhile Crawshaw lived in relative oppulence in Cyfarthfa Park overlooking all he owned

Indeed it was. I thought you meant the one the Normans were involved in in Merthyr. I’m ashamed to say I overlooked this completely.

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

Straying well off piste so I’ll make this the last one - Peterloo Riots

 

Yes.

This is in danger of becoming “ what have the Romans ever done for us, apart from ......”

I was just trying to reassure the guy we weren’t a particularly rebellious Nation....... I guess that’s backfired and he can go back to worrying

1 hour ago, bickster said:

Hirwaun common actually

Weren’t the guys in that all wealthy though ? It wasn’t a commoners uprising ? ( OT I know but had to defend myself )

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

Any number of them!

Local hero Dic Penderyn says hi! What with the Merthyr Rising being the first use of the red flag.

I’m presuming he meant successful revolution...

I did indeed. No great uprising. Our default setting is a “ can’t be arsed” nation.

1 hour ago, HanoiVillan said:

Harsh erasure of Wat Tyler from history there!

Yes apologies to him he at least had a go

6 minutes ago, bannedfromHandV said:

I hope you’re right, I’ve always considered Britain to be particularly precious over civil liberties and equally as keen on an opportunity to complain and revolt, certainly in comparison to some other countries anyway (e.g. China).

Im just trying to consider the mental state of the nation 6+ weeks from now, naturally it’ll be dependent on the volume of infection and rate of deaths.

 

Well if it’s any comfort we aren’t ..... we are almost unique in the World for never having had a citizens revolt. ( unlike China for example !).....even when we had a Civil War it was those in Power fighting each other rather than the oppressed rising up.

One last expression of my anger and bewilderment.

I isolated myself completely on 11th March. I’d read the evidence and it was crystal clear what was coming.

So....why, at that stage, didn’t the government at least issue advice informing people that anyone who could do so might at least want to consider it ?

Not risking early close downs costing the economy, nor mass disobedience, nor any of the other feeble excuses.

Just a nice simple bit of advice. So that people were informed. Maybe Granny would’ve asked the kids not to visit that day ? Maybe Fred might’ve decided not to go to Cheltenham. 
 

And Granny, and Fred, wouldn’t have got infected. Wouldn’t have needed hospital. Wouldn’t have infected the Nurse. Who wouldn’t have infected her Dad. And more people would still be alive. 

9 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

I don't think many of the 20,000 people who usually die from seasonal flu die because they couldn't get care do they? I don't know how you put a figure on it but it is hard to take anyone dying who we could have saved if we had the capacity.

Exactly.

With the advance acquisition of equipment, for testing and treatment, with early restrictions on large social movement, with a clear message ( which took ages) that proximity and surfaces mattered aswell as coughing, with an advertising campaign, with local government being tasked with pooling resources and diverting them from non vital work, the peak of the  “ curve” could have remained UNDER the ICU capacity, and every person who needed treatment could’ve got it, and every health worker been given sensible recovery time.

Every one of those steps has been wargamed. Every one could’ve been done significantly earlier.