Butterfingers

Pray tell

See Butterfingers - there are more than two types of people. Didn't think it mattered where the points came from? Perhaps he thinks you get more points for a home win? The kind of person who would prefer to forget about last night & start bleating about home form instead will never change-I'd place him in the same category as the other bloke so imo there is only 2 types of people.

There are two kinds of people in this world Tuco-Those that worry about long term strategies & those that are delighted with last nights performance, the resul & the season so far.

If Benteke didn't miss a sitter when striking a dead ball from 12 yards against Everton then maybe things would have been better in that game? We can talk about luck/bad luck all day long but a league table is rarely far off the mark. We're only 3 points behind Southampton-A team everyone seems to be getting giddy about & 1 place behind Man U. 10th with 19 points given the fixtures we've had is not bad by any means. A 2-2 & 3-2 in consecutive away games would also suggest we are not boring, the exact opposite in fact.

It was harsh to do it directly before the game re-started.

Shouldn't have been subbed IMO I know the decision had been made before the goal but to take him off before the restart was harsh. Definitely contributing this season. Looking to be a good signing at that price.

We most definitely have improved defensively. The players are 1 year more wiser & experienced & this shows. Stats work both ways. There appears to be an element on here who put "positive" stats down to luck

Butterfingers ..... are you the full shilling You know what I meant Don't watch it myself anyway-Sooner watch 90 mins of mid table Premiership football

How disappointing for you. Maybe other internet forums are taking a more mature and balanced approach and may warrant more time and attention? Are you a full shilling? I'm beginning to think you argue & display negativity just for the sake of it-Or maybe to attract attention. There's 4 teams in this league who are light years ahead of us. There's another 3 who are miles ahead of us. Then there's Newcastle & Southampton who are currently better than us. That's 9 places taken care of. We're 11th. What did you expect at this stage? A 6 point lead at the top of the table? Any suggestion of sacking the manager is indeed bringing the credibility of the board down to idiotic levels. Do you really, in your wildest dreams think that there's anyone out there who could come in after McLeish & do any better on the shoestring budget that Lambert has had to operate with? You talk a good game-Pity you don't seem able to or prepared to attempt to grasp what is involved in competing in a competitive league. It doesn't matter what level you play at, be it the Premier League or the Brinny Ear under 15's, there will always be a marked difference in the quality of football played by the top 2 or 3 sides than that played at mid table level. Nobody is saying we should settle for mid table but this is where we are at present, after 3 successive relegation battles. Nobody goes out with it in mind to loose & none of the coaching staff urge the players to play unattractive football. Professional football has an emphasis on results & 1 man is charged with obtaining them. If you want guaranteed entertainment, try the opera or the Xfactor final. We could have won 2-0 on Saturday & you'd still be moaning (as the Cardiff result proved)

Disagree 10th may be as good as it gets & will be acceptable. If we can string a couple of back to back wins/find a bit of consistency/strikers return to form then 8th is attainable. Puts more pressure on the management admittedly but I don't think we should be aiming for a comfort zone when there is clearly more to come from the players we have. Newcastle have some good players and are ahead of us but that's where I think we should be aiming at present.

Blackpool played some pretty good football for a couple of seasons under Ian Holloway-Look where they are now.# You have to cut your cloth accordingly & you will find most of the teams in our little mimi league of 8th to 16th play no better & in some cases worse. We are still moving in the right direction. It took David Moyes 2, if not 3 seasons at Everton to get the crowd onside. We are better than we were last season & will be better next season than we are this. A couple of back to back wins will see us up to around 8th & level or above Spurs & look at the cash they've spent. Consistancy will come. It won't happen overnight & if it did, Lambert would be touted for all the top jobs in football.

Would just add Norwich to the list of teams who outspent us this summer.

I believe Lerner gambled to get into the top 4, failed miserably & is now attempting to cut losses by slashing the wage bill (which takes a massive percentage of the running costs out of the equasion). Clearly, any manager who comes in with a remit of getting rid of the so called bomb squad (experienced Premiership players on big wages) & replacing them with young, untried & generally unheard of kids has a massive task in front of him. I think we rode our luck massively last year & without Wigans cup run, we would probably at least have gone into the last game needing something out of it. We got away with it & this year there has been a marked improvement. Unfortunately there are still going to be a percentage of people who will continually pick faults & negatives. The belittling of the goal celebrations against Man City by an obvious crank is perhaps the best indication of the lengths some people will go just to post something negative. Great managers like BFR & BL had terrible seasons at the helm as well. The way some people post, an outsider could be forgiven in thinking we were always top 6 before Lamberts arrival.

...Yet we dealt with what they had to offer offensively and created the better chances. I'm not disputing that but then comparisions to Dortmund are absurd. & comparisons between Southampton & Chelsea are not? ROFL Do you also think Man City fans would swap place with Wigan on the back of the cup win? Push the boat out pal & try posting 1 crumb of a positive about the team-Trust me, it won't hurt.

Link? Here's one: http://www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/9831-libor-kozák/page-19?hl=hairyhands Ha ha, that's the most dubious link for authentification of a transfer fee posted on VT for at least 12 months. Most sources say £7m. They must have got this figure from somewhere, maybe his agent, so the story on why it is wrong must surely include a little more than a link to a post by a self-appointed ITK? Oh right-I've got you now. If most sources say £7mil then they must be right because "they must have got the figure from somewhere" You couldn't make it up I wonder if you realise how unintentionally funny your posts are? If you're arguing that there is no basis for the £7m, then in fact it MUST have been made up, so the conclusion is you definitely COULD make it up! Can you stop being so aggressive and angry on this site please? It's the irony that you couldn't make up. You dismiss the most reliable ITK this board has ever seen in one post & then post heresay as credible info in the next Now if you think my posts are funny then surely to God you can see the funny side to that? I'm not angry btw-It takes more than a few cranks to get me angry these days

So you're saying we're to Swansea what Southampton are to Chelsea? No but that's basically the logic of the original argument. To say we are in a better position to Swansea is ridiculous and none of their fans would actually want to 'swap places' with us just because we are a couple of points ahead of them. The logic of the argument has nothing to do with league placings, please point me to any part of my post that suggested it was. Grow up sonny & stop trying to be clever-You only serve to make yourself look silly.

Your original point was highlighted above and i see you've left out West Brom and excused Newcastle by spending more yet both teams are still playing better football than us. Swansea in their footballing philosophy are years ahead of us and have proven that so i'm not sure what your point is. I see your now referring to Villa fans as 'moaning morons' and 'prat' for disagreeing with your opinion. Thats your prerogative but maybe those fans take their support of the team a little more seriously than a hobby/pastime? I left out West Brom because I've no idea how they play although they've had some excellent results lately. I also said that Newcastle can dish up some dire stuff. I stand by my original statement-The way you & others go on, you'd think we were the leppers of free flowing football. I suppose you think KEA was subbed on Saturday for playing so many balls along the floor? & as for Swansea being miles ahead of us, that is the most stupid comment of all. I doubt theres many, if any Swansea fans who wouldn't swap places with us given half a chance.

Link? Here's one: http://www.villatalk.com/index.php/topic/9831-libor-kozák/page-19?hl=hairyhands Ha ha, that's the most dubious link for authentification of a transfer fee posted on VT for at least 12 months. Most sources say £7m. They must have got this figure from somewhere, maybe his agent, so the story on why it is wrong must surely include a little more than a link to a post by a self-appointed ITK? Oh right-I've got you now. If most sources say £7mil then they must be right because "they must have got the figure from somewhere" You couldn't make it up

He could have bought a decent midfielder in the summer. Instead he spent £7m on a carthorse to hoof it up to in the event of us not being able to hoof it to Benteke. Other fans are starting to view us in the same way they do Stoke and West Ham. LOL This guy is a genius ps-He spent £4.5 million on Kozac btw & what a good job we signed him with 2 of our regular front 3 unable to play on Saturday.

I agree with you-I put it down to ignorance & stupidity. Footballers know when they are not doing as well as they can, sometimes if it's just 2 or maybe 3, the team can carry them but when it's more, it becomes difficult. The booing adds to the pressure, especially to younger players like our lads. We know it could be better sometimes, and they know it as well. If the crowd could just accept what is happening & what is tryng to be achieved, it would take a lot of pressure away from the players. I thought we did this last season although it seems expectations have raised this time around & patience seems to be lacking. Maybe the crowd would prefer Ian Holloway for example? His games are often open & high scoring-He just doesn't win many of them. W look like we're becoming a bit more solid & a bit harder to score against. urley when we get this part right, people can work out that other areas of our play will be addressed? We're Aston Villa, not Man United or Arsenal-People placing these ridiculous expectations on young players need to wake up & smell the coffee-Or at least try to understand what it takes to maintain a top 6 position in the Premiership. What are these 'ridiculous expectations on young players' you speak of? I've seen no-one on here with anything more than just reasonable expectations to see a repeat of the style of football from the very same players produced at the tail end of last season. However what i do feel is more than unreasonable is to refer to our fans as ignorant and stupid when they have made their displeasure heard in the only way possible at probably the worst first half performance by the team this season and that criticism, as another poster has suggested, could have actually spurred the team on to perform much better in the second half. The standard of football produced is no worse than any other team from around 9th downwards. People want us to win & win in style. Man U are struggling to do that, as are Spurs-It's not just a case of telling 11 players to go out & win but win by entertaining you know. Many of our fans are ignorant, games against the likes of Cardiff are rarely going to be pretty & sometimes results need to be ground out which is what happened yesterday. I think there might be one or two fans from Newcastle, West Brom and Swansea who would disagree with that. No-one is expecting us to play to the same standard of Man U or Spurs either even when they have an off day and you seem to have the attitude that our fans are ignorant of what the project is here just because they booed despite how the fans backed both Lambert and the team at Villa park last season through a start which broke all the wrong records and if you remember Lambert commented on that at the time. So those boos you have commented on were not born out of ignorance but rather frustration at a first half performance which was well below what our team could provide and they proved that with their performance in the second half. Swansea were booed off at half time yesterday-They've been pretty poor all season. Newcastle have spent a lot of money, pay big salaries & have some good players (loosing at home to them was not the catastrophe that the moaners on here make it out to be). They are still no more consistant than us & dish up some pretty dire stuff as well. I sit near to some of these moaning morons-I hear some of the comments they come out with. It can be quite amusing at times but on other occasions, it winds me up & I feel like poking my fingers in their eyes. Watching Villa is a hobby/pastime for me, I enjoy going & enjoy meeting up with mates. I don't want it ruined by having to listen to some prat who has obviously never played football

Quality LOL I think you've found your niche in life Did you really just type 'LOL'? I did indeed-I'm not one of the VT sheep who think there's a set way to post. LOL

Quality LOL I think you've found your niche in life

I agree with you-I put it down to ignorance & stupidity. Footballers know when they are not doing as well as they can, sometimes if it's just 2 or maybe 3, the team can carry them but when it's more, it becomes difficult. The booing adds to the pressure, especially to younger players like our lads. We know it could be better sometimes, and they know it as well. If the crowd could just accept what is happening & what is tryng to be achieved, it would take a lot of pressure away from the players. I thought we did this last season although it seems expectations have raised this time around & patience seems to be lacking. Maybe the crowd would prefer Ian Holloway for example? His games are often open & high scoring-He just doesn't win many of them. W look like we're becoming a bit more solid & a bit harder to score against. urley when we get this part right, people can work out that other areas of our play will be addressed? We're Aston Villa, not Man United or Arsenal-People placing these ridiculous expectations on young players need to wake up & smell the coffee-Or at least try to understand what it takes to maintain a top 6 position in the Premiership. What are these 'ridiculous expectations on young players' you speak of? I've seen no-one on here with anything more than just reasonable expectations to see a repeat of the style of football from the very same players produced at the tail end of last season. However what i do feel is more than unreasonable is to refer to our fans as ignorant and stupid when they have made their displeasure heard in the only way possible at probably the worst first half performance by the team this season and that criticism, as another poster has suggested, could have actually spurred the team on to perform much better in the second half. The standard of football produced is no worse than any other team from around 9th downwards. People want us to win & win in style. Man U are struggling to do that, as are Spurs-It's not just a case of telling 11 players to go out & win but win by entertaining you know. Many of our fans are ignorant, games against the likes of Cardiff are rarely going to be pretty & sometimes results need to be ground out which is what happened yesterday.

What is trying to be achieved? Maybe the fans would accept it if they actually knew what the plan is. Fans are never going to just accept mediocrity, thankfully the expectations of the paying fans don't seem to have been lowered to the level of some on here. Big John-Nobody wants mediocrity. Unfortunately, as Aston Villa fans, this has been what we normaly get. 5 top 4 finishes since the war, 1 league win, 1 FA Cup win. You've mentioned before that you are aware there is no financial backing for the manager. My attitude is that we have a young hungry side who are still developing. They are already showing that they are more resolute than a year ago. There is still a challenge. Under MON, the challenge was to finish 6th in the league. This season, the challenge is to finish top half. Next season, maybe top 7 or 8? Nothing is going to happen overnight & people who expect it to are just showing their ignorance. Just because people will accept 10th this season, doesn't mean they accept mediocrity. You are not going to go from relegation material to challenging for Europe on our budget-You know this so do you just bury your head in the sand & constantly moan or do you enjoy the challenge that lies ahead?

I agree with you-I put it down to ignorance & stupidity. Footballers know when they are not doing as well as they can, sometimes if it's just 2 or maybe 3, the team can carry them but when it's more, it becomes difficult. The booing adds to the pressure, especially to younger players like our lads. We know it could be better sometimes, and they know it as well. If the crowd could just accept what is happening & what is tryng to be achieved, it would take a lot of pressure away from the players. I thought we did this last season although it seems expectations have raised this time around & patience seems to be lacking. Maybe the crowd would prefer Ian Holloway for example? His games are often open & high scoring-He just doesn't win many of them. W look like we're becoming a bit more solid & a bit harder to score against. urley when we get this part right, people can work out that other areas of our play will be addressed? We're Aston Villa, not Man United or Arsenal-People placing these ridiculous expectations on young players need to wake up & smell the coffee-Or at least try to understand what it takes to maintain a top 6 position in the Premiership.