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And what will happen to the airside workers if they refuse to carry ID cards?

In times of war, extreme measure can be justified As per tony's sig - 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not a roadplan. Let's watch neighbours (Gruaniad 2006)

More sci-fi ranting from the yoghurt knitting liberals over at the Times

Airport workers' ID card 'insult'

On the one hand which given the news that would mean no interest rate cuts this side of france winning euro2008. But on the other hand The doves are gathering and I think gordo will have given them a nudge following the markets recent fluctuations. As Levi said, it's time to get the free beer out. It might not work, but they'll give it a spin anyway. So I predict rate cuts in April and June, and to hell with inflation.

the mighty mighty mighty mighty boss mighty tones - the impression i get followed by the grandlord of drunken nonsense andrew wk - party hard

E17 - Deep

Hmm interesting comments. .... Not quite sure the point you are making, apart from the fact that some people already voluntarily on occassion offer up some information. Still haven't seen a reason or justification for ID cards.

Why are we persecuting Joe Blogski when he's helping develop the economy? Any reasons yet for the entire population having to carry a card? You won't have to produce the card for merely existing, only if you want to use a service, such as see a doctor (one of the reasons given for ID cards was to reduce nhs tourists), obtain benefit (another reason given is to reduce benefit fraud), use public transport (gordo has already announced security is going to be tightened up at 250 stations, shopping centres and sporting venues) - so we can probably add go shopping or watching the Villa to the list of precluded activities. There will also be an encouragement for other third parties to favour the ID card. Already employers are being threatened with massive fines if they are found to be employing an illegal and can't prove they've carried out the required identification checks. So we can probably add - getting a job to the list. So as long as you don't want to work, claim dole, be sick, go shopping or to the gym or try to leave the country, then no one is going to force you onto the database - it's all of your own free will.

As positive as a bright shiny positive thing

A good reason perhaps why people in secure areas should have biometric id cards, just like many other organisations currently do. Not a reason to force everyone to carry one. On another note... How is this going to work? Are all laptops to be fitted with card swipes? Or are they just making stuff up now?

You're probably better off investing in a loft conversion - an additional bedroom, prerferably en-suite will likely add more value, and differentiates more from the surrounding houses.

Questions over 'free' ID cards plan Interesting choice of words, bringing the occupations of afghanistan and iraq to mind!! Wow, saving us 1bn. It's a bit like your wife coming back from the sales telling you that she's saved you 200 quid whilst omitting to tell you she's spent £400 of your hard earned. But if they keep telling us the system is only going to cost £6bn, and they can save a whopping 16% just by outsourcing one part of it, then something doesn't quite add up. Why would the private sector be able to something as manual and time consuming as fingerprinting so much cheaper than the public sector. There's some smoke and mirrors going on here somewhere. So should the ID card scheme be independent of government because they do it so much better and have much more secure systems, or just so the blame for any cock ups can be outsourced with the problem?

House prices continuing to slow

Do keep up tony, ID cards are nothing to do with terrorism, it's all about identity theft and benefit fraud.

The updated plans look remarkably like those leaked by the highly impartial no2id group. The ID cards will help students as without one you won't be able to get a student loan or open a bank account (unless you've already got a bank account and/or electricity/gas bills in your name). Purely optional of course.

Bank keeps interest rates on hold Inflation climbing, factory output prices going up, petrol $105/bl. Not much scope for futher cuts for a while I'ts down to darling now to see what rabbits he's going to pull out of his budget hat.

*** Calling Alf Stewart *** Any chance you could translate this one for me? *** Calling Alf Stewart ***

Inspired by the WWII rant on another thread, here is a map of what europe would have looked like if hitler had won.

Japan - Nightporter, muzak to slash wrists to.

Property prices fall in February

You can't really tell unless we had a breakdown of their portfolio. 250 houses in Wales isn't really that big a portfolio, gonna be about 25m worth, probably mortgaged to t'hilt at 85/89% mortgages, and a blank patch of 10% would have killed them. Just a speculator that got his risk analysis wrong. But, and there's always a but, But there will be a lot of similar investores conned by the property clubs who will have bought similar shoebox in the sky investments and who are going to go to to the wall. A&A had the foresight to do it through a limited company, take the last three months rent, don't pay the mortgages, and then go for administration - 3 months rent on 25m, should clear 30-40k. People who have all their mortgages in their own name will have a tougher time escaping the fall.

We're all doooooooomed

Books are good, have not seen the telly box versions

Belle Stars - sign of the times