tonyh29

From your figures, why is it fair that the tax burden on the richer person should be around 30% and on the poorer person just under 50%?

Picky :-) .... it was just approx I didn't sit there and work it out exactly ...

I think if we asked everyone in the UK if she should be on the list the majority would say yes

do you really think that ? disliked , by some I could understand , but evil I can't see it ...

My Dad went from spending £400 Rates, in a typical suburban 3 bedroomed house, to receiving a bill for in excess of £1200

What is he paying now i wonder ? add that to his higher cost of beer ,petrol and cigs and I'll bet any money he's far worse off .... wonder why nobody is protesting on the streets of London ?

I know some don't like it but the size of your house to my mind shouldn't reflect how much tax you have to pay .. the millionaire has already paid tax on his million so he's already contributed around £300,000 in tax (or more) ..where as say a man on £30 k has contributed £ 14k in tax ... tax needs to be fair for sure but how many times should the rich have to pay it ?

that couldn't give a shit about the Working Class.

Which government allowed the working class to buy their council houses on the cheap ..and then make a killing on them a few years later ?

so no Hitler ,Pol Pot and the other mass murderers

but you include Thatcher

think your poll is somewhat lacking in perspective ......

I have to assume Tony would hit Josie as she is the most obscure nomination and would only be included by someone who had the hots for her

Nah I went for Lois as she seems to be a right dirty cow .. My wife did Kiss ..yeah

I tried to cover a broad spectrum for all ..... apart the rabbit fetish brigade :-)

thought Smurfette would have got more votes though

seems to be a heck of a rabbit fetish going on here at Villatalk

lot of nervous bunnies in the Birmingham area tonight me thinks

No Jessica Rabbit or Princess from Battle of the Planets

I thought Princess was about 13 ..it may be cartoon land but there are still laws against some things .....

Jessica Rabbit ...never seen the film so didn't really know who she was

Due to an experiment going wrong you've somehow been sucked into Cartoonland

So , which of the following cartoon characters would you be trying to shack up with

PS

Sorry If I missed off anyone that you have particular strong feelings for :-) but the list was getting quite long

Can't imagine it with a beach boys sound .. does it sound good or a bit weird ?

something about the tune \ melody of this song that just sort of gives it a sort of Wow factor

by terry Jacks

Just heard it on the radio after not hearing it for years ... kinda hate it but also think it's kind of a classic , great melody and kind of sad lyrics , i seem to recall it was originally in some film where a boy was dying of cancer

so what do people think

A classic or utter trash

Fergie from the Black Eyed Peas used to voice for Lucy and Sally in Peanuts cartoons.

Guess I would go for De Niro ...Pacino doesn't quite have as much range as De Niro for my money

but if I had more options I would probably not vote either of them as my top choices ...guess I perfer a more subtle actor

James Stewart would be my number 1 and probably Christian Bale at 2 with Ed Norton at 3

the title of this thread is good idea ? Again you want to bring in anti-Labour bias into the debate.

not at all ..when 60 % drops to 20% in a few short years you have to ask why

What happened in that timescale to make 40% of the people change their mind ..

hence the ? at the end of my post

so go on take a stab at why 40% have changed their mind .................

or should I word it differntly for you ......what would colour tie was Cameron wearing on the day of the poll and what would the tories have done differently on a policy that isn't of their making to make 40% of people change their mind

The reason is ID and proof

this week it may be , but what was it they said originally ....

Interestingly I looked back through some old surveys we carried out back in 2004 and it turns out support for ID cards was at 60% ..... now it's around 20 %

so is it the ID cards people are opposed to ..or is it the governments lack of ability and a lack of faith from the general public that has caused the about turn ?

I will try and keep it simple - then you would have to provide UK based info which can then be cross checked against you

sadly it's yourself who you are confusing so maybe your not keeping it simple enough ?

If Jo Blogski as you call him comes to the UK on a fake passport the UK will have no record of him as he is not from the UK ..therefore when he goes along to get his UK biometric ID he is in effect Jo Blogski ... he has the ID that says he is ..and unless there is worldwide and inter agency cooperation then he will walk out with a nice shiney ID card proving he is Joe Blogski ....

It wouldn't matter who put ID cards in place , they are a bad idea ..and it would seem 60% of people on here agree

only got to look a t the original governemnt excuse for them and see how it's changed and chaged to see that even they don't know what they are for ...remember those far ago days when an ID card was going to stop terrorism , only of course now they are not for that they are for something else ..and you accuse Cameron of changing his mind :-)

your so sunk that you better do a decompression stop on your way up or you'll get the bends ............

^^^ whose the blue one and whose the red one :-)

Not sinking my reason at all mate. OK so Joe Blogski arrives on the back of a lorry. Goes through Dover. Starts up a business in London using a false passport. Old Bill think something aint right here he doesn't look like a regular Joe Smith, how do they prove he aint? The passport he has says he is.

your sinking fast ... but glad to see that you believe our police force will only pick up on anyone who looks like a foreigneer for no other reason than he doesn't look "right "...

If you don't think that in getting his fake passport he can't get the other fake docs required to get his bio ID card at a later date I fear you are being a bit naive ... or are you saying that the bio stuff will be crossed referenced to a worldwide database ..and what if he comes from a country that don't keep up to Biometric information ... not to mention I thought this data was only going to be a accessable by a select few and yet now you are talking about a world wide database that the whole world will have access to .. how secure a database can it be ??

face it , it's not workable and no valid benefit or reason for these cards has been put forward ...

Ps , I thought The Govt. have already said it isn't compulsary to carry the card with you ..so old bill can ask him to produce an ID card and he can tell them to go poke it .... he's not breaking any law by doing so ....

on the whole positive

Positive I support Labour and Villa, a great family, a wedding next week, a few good holidays planned -

4 out of 5 ain't bad i guess :-)

Of course this could never happen to a Nationwide scheme ..could it

The Ministry of Defence is at the centre of a new security row after it emerged an "extraordinary" 11,000 military ID cards were lost or stolen in the past two years.

The MoD takes the loss 'seriously'Opposition parties said the scale of the losses cast fresh doubt on the Government's plans for a national ID card scheme.

The MoD said it took the issue "very seriously" and steps were being taken to improve general security awareness.

According to figures released in a Commons written answer, some 4,433 ID cards disappeared in 2006 and a further 6,812 went missing last year.

Newcastle all the way .. I can picture all those fat overweight geordies crying even now

Interesting ?

In SA we all have ID's - they are identity documents/ booklets we have to carry around. THIS IS A NIGHTMARE! The loss or theft of this little document makes your life impossible - you need it everywhere and in order to pick up anything or prove your age/ identity. Not even to mention the scary trend that we have here of identity theft! Where someone gets hold of the details on your ID and then conveniently appropriates your identity. You end up with the debt and problems, stress and frustration - all because of having to carry proof of ID. In theory it might seem like a good idea - but in practice this is a disaster.

He also said catagorically if the Tories get in then ID cards will be scrapped, period.

Amen to that

much effort students are willing to put in

and herein is the first flaw in your plan :-)

Only if you can prove that the promise is, in fact, coming from you and that you are genuinely who you say you are - or you might be promising on behalf of the person who you are pretending to be.

:-)

It's down to darling now to see what rabbits he's going to pull out of his budget hat

I suspect the rabbit will be here in the UK on a illegal passport and it will come out the hat saying the budget we promised isn't goping to happen but we will hold a government enquiry into why there isn't one ..

Do keep up tony, ID cards are nothing to do with terrorism, it's all about identity theft and benefit fraud.

my bad ..well what if i promise not to partake in either of these crimes ..can i get away without having an ID card then ?

no mention of who will be paying for these ID cards ... but I bet I can hazard a guess

But does it matter what timetable they put up , everyone knows they aer gone at the next election , the publice don't trust them , don't like their arrogance they are non electable for maybe 15 years on the back of the damage done by Blair and Brown

I'm still waiting for someone to enlighten me though as to how a ID card will stop British citizens blowing themselves up on tubes and buses ??