MessiWillSignForVilla

6 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Objectively? When has another clubs fan ever viewed another club objectively plus you are viewing emotional attachment as a bad thing which is strange.  We have emotional attachment to the colours, the name, the lion, the ground…anything else we should just ignore because we are emotionally attached to? Football fans are football fans because they are emotionally attached.  I only like Claret and Blue because of Villa, generally I find neither colour appealing.

The point being that when the choice is between a shield and a round badge most people end up in two camps and don't judge the badges on their merit as designs, either you grew up with the round badge and associate it with our crowning achievement, whilst seeing the current badge as being tainted by the Lerner era, or you grew up with the shield badge and associate it with "modern" Villa, whilst seeing the round badge as too nostalgic and being stuck in the past. This is highlighted by the vote thread, the fans that are able to vote, i.e. season ticket holders who are more likely to have more disposable income and be a bit older (the average attending fan to football games a few years ago was in their early 40s), favour the round badge, which they grew up with, but fans that can't vote, likely younger or more recent fans, favour the shield badge, likely because they don't have the emotional attachment to the round badge which we only had for 20 years of our history.

The other things you mention of course shouldn't be ignored, they've been near constants throughout our almost 150 year history, the shape of the badge has changed multiple times however and shouldn't be seen as important as the vital elements of the club.

And of course opposition fans can view a badge design objectively, the reason I think Blues' badge is shit isn't because it's Blues, but because it's a weird, shitty clipart of a globe on top of a football, their lettered badge they had a few years ago, whilst a bit messy, was a million times better than their current one. I hate both Man Utd and Man City, but I think both of their badges are really good for different reasons. Whilst I would have loved Leeds to use the proposed badge from a couple years ago, I still thought the badge was shit - hence wanting them to adopt it.

9 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Other teams fans?

They have no emotional attachment to our current or old badges so are able to judge the current and potential new badges objectively from a pure design view.

9 minutes ago, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

I know you said you changed it because it's too blue, but I still think the border and background should switch coulours, but importantly it should be the darker blue from the border. I think when people complained about the current badge colour being too similar, they overlooked the real reason the blue/yellow didn't work, because the badge as a whole is too light with little contrast. We have a white border with a baby blue background, a white star floating in it and a bright yellow lion, with barely any claret. The current badge works much better with a claret border, it instantly improves it 1000%. 

I did a crappy mockup in photoshop, and to me it looks amazing, but I won't share it as my skills are rubbish and I partly like it because I can see the intention.

But take this badges, make the border claret, make the background the darker blue from the border, remove the star, change Aston Villa to claret, and keep the claret detailing on the Lion, and I think that becomes an amazing badge.

Not expecting you to do that @jayEm, just my thoughts on what would make this badge really work.

**** it, it's poorly executed, but this is what I mean, to me it looks more Villa and less West Ham.

40 minutes ago, jayEm said:

Yeah the star could go, or just be under the badge on the shirt. Re. text colour, I did try yellow, but then its too yellow someone. Any other suggestions?

I know you said you changed it because it's too blue, but I still think the border and background should switch coulours, but importantly it should be the darker blue from the border. I think when people complained about the current badge colour being too similar, they overlooked the real reason the blue/yellow didn't work, because the badge as a whole is too light with little contrast. We have a white border with a baby blue background, a white star floating in it and a bright yellow lion, with barely any claret. The current badge works much better with a claret border, it instantly improves it 1000%. 

I did a crappy mockup in photoshop, and to me it looks amazing, but I won't share it as my skills are rubbish and I partly like it because I can see the intention.

But take this badges, make the border claret, make the background the darker blue from the border, remove the star, change Aston Villa to claret, and keep the claret detailing on the Lion, and I think that becomes an amazing badge.

Not expecting you to do that @jayEm, just my thoughts on what would make this badge really work.

20 minutes ago, Milfner said:

How is this even allowed? Absolutely taking the piss out of his constituents. 

 

 

 

 

Been stripped of the whip for it.

3 minutes ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

I am not saying I agree with it but that is the law as I understand it.

Didn't mean to come across accusatory or anything, I'm just saying that Asylum Seekers are a specific, legal exemption. Yes it is illegal to enter the country without permission, however if you do so with the intent to claim asylum it doesn't apply.

1 hour ago, Amsterdam_Neil_D said:

I think its illegal to try to enter the UK without permission but that's for all forms of transport and people.

If you are an Asylum seeker you can not be penalised for the way you arrive in the country, they are a specific exemption to illegal immigration.

1 hour ago, Genie said:

Hopefully the newly rich, ex-twitter directors have a plan to bring out a Twitter2.0 which fixes the shit with the current one and puts it out of business.

Jack Dorsey, Twitter Founder, already has a new platform in a Beta stage. It's blockchain-based which already signals bullshit to me, but it seems it based off the direction they wanted to take twitter anyway, so could be a ready-made replacement that scoops up the pieces if Musk continues down the "bankrupt Twitter ASAP" route.

2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Out of interest, who are the people that Musk bought Twitter from?

 

I made about £3 off it a few days ago, Twitter was still publicly traded and every share got sold at the agreed price the moment it went through. Kind of crazy that the price was lower than the sale price, wish I had more forethought and bought more of it!

23 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

This is absolutely shit news.  Is it to do with him doing Superman again?  He absolutely loved playing Geralt, surely he wouldn’t leave out of choice?

Reading between the lines of what Cavill has said in interviews and some of the claims by ex-writers, it's likely because the show isn't staying true to the books.

There's loads of interviews with Cavill where he's said he loves the role but wanted the show to be closer to the books and with Geralt specifically, and an ex-writer claimed the source material was openly mocked and actively disliked in the writers room, so my guess is he walked when he saw the direction the show/character was going.

11 years on, how the **** does the exact same situation happen!?

1 hour ago, choffer said:

“We need a soundtrack to our new film about how awesome Rishi is. Any suggestion?”

”how about a Gary Glitter song?”

 

Admittedly I've never listened to Gary Glitter, but sounds like Black Skinhead by Kanye West to me, however that's not much better right now...

8 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

From the moment Gerrard appeared at Rangers, Purslow wanted him here.

Smith was on thin ice from then.

Smith was on thin ice from before he even got the job?

15 hours ago, VillaChris said:

It was this years back. Said he never liked playing at VP as it was always half empty or something compared to likes of Leeds:

Danny Murphy branded Villa Park 'dull' - Aston Villa's Steve Bruce had this to say - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk)

I actually like him as a pundit on MOTD as his in game analysis is generally good but his overall knowledge like today with Emery is generally soundbites and bias. 

Ah, so he doesn't like VP because of a weird lie he's told himself. He has played in front of a packed out VP plenty of times, just not when he was at Charlton or Fulham because no-one wants to watch **** Charlton or Fulham.

You'd think he'd remember getting 2 goals and an assist in front of a packed out VP for instance when thinking about times he played there...

2 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

interesting, doesnt fit the "Emery's assistant will be a champions league winner" as reported by that spanish journalist Guillem Balague.

He was Rafa's Assistant at Valencia and Liverpool and was there for the 2005 CL.

2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

The handball rule is an absolute nonsense - West Ham's goal allowed to stand because erm....

 

It's what they get for trying to make the rules completely objective when stuff like handball will always have a degree of subjectivity to it.

The excuse will be it didn't unnaturally enlargen his body therefore not handball despite the clear action to knock the ball up.

Just now, Osirus said:

From Dean Smith to Gerrard, to **** Emery in the space of 18 months.

Unbelievable really, UTV let this be the time we actually make it back to Europe 

Welcome Emery 

Not even 12 months is it, wasn't Smith sacked in November?

3 minutes ago, MotoMkali said:

Can someone explain this too me? 

V in Spanish is pronounced closer to an English B than an English V, so when giving press conferences at Arsenal he would start by saying "Good Evening" but it sounded like "Good Ebening" as he wasn't fluent in English, then when things started to go sour at Arsenal the fans took the piss out of him for it.

A bit shitty considering he was speaking a second language (probably third or even fourth) and those taking the piss would look dumbfounded by anything other than English.

I hope it's Emery, that way I win £60

Tigers winger Nadolo at the game today and apparently a fan, never would've guessed that. Another reason to love the big man!

1 hour ago, Wurzel said:

They are already at it, Representatives for Wellingborough here's one, he's put right of course......

 

He followed that up to say that he wasn't clear with it initially and that it was a criticism of Gerrard not a defense