villafan306 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 At the risk of starting another political debate on VillaTalk what do people think of this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4641588.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 OK remove the fact that this came from the Labour party and ask is this a right initiative? For me yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Don't really have my own view on this particularly, I've not read up enough. I listened to a pretty lengthy phone-in last night and the basic view is that genuine recipients of incapacity benefit don't want to be tarred with the same brush as the feckless members of society, and they find it is absolutely central to being able to live their lives. Of course the flipside is that nobody wants the lazy bastards to be able to cheat the system. How do you crack down on one but not the other? Re-application of all has been suggested - again, this was met with contempt by those who actually belong on incapacity benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ligs Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Don't think doctor's should receive any bonuses for not giving out sick notes though, otherwise it's a worthy idea, whether it can work is another matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Docs get various payments for documentation (my sisters a GP) and no doubt Ahamaad can verify this. They get paid for verifying death certificates and thats called "ash cash" in certain parts of the Health profession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Leslie's plastic surgeon calls her Ash Cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2006 I'll admit I haven't read too much about this but I have an opinion (like usual). To claim that doing this will get 1 million back to work is wrong as that would mean you think that 1 million are capable of working in the first place. My sister in law claim Incap Benefit and she would love to go back to work, but the problems with her back mean she cannot work, it really is that simple. Unless you can find a job that allows you to sit down for short periods, then stand at a moments notice until the pain subsides and so on. I know that this is not true of a lot of claimants but to quote 1 million is just stupid and to me too nice an amount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 It's a target. Just like they have for doctors, and hospitals, and schools. As you say Al, it's all too neat and tidy and ignores the REAL issues on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Commons statement due right about...now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2006 It's a target. Just like they have for doctors, and hospitals, and schools. As you say Al, it's all too neat and tidy and ignores the REAL issues on the ground. yeah like the fact that my ex-brother in law left her and was then paid over £70k for insurance payoff of which she saw nothing, while she cannot afford food, heating etc for her and the kids. Or that the CSA will do feck all to chase him when he is late paying again. But all he has to do is say that he saw her out socialising and she has to prove once more that she is unable to work, despite three different specialists saying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drat01 Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 The thing is Al, and I do sympathise honestly, there are far more people than your realtive who are abusing the system and just enjoying benefits that they are not really entitled to. How would the panel address the issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 What would you rather they did Allan? Took your sister's case, and others, as individual cases with their individual circumstances, or set a target of taking one million off incapacity benefit? Silly question methinks. And I completely agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LancsVillan Posted January 24, 2006 Moderator Share Posted January 24, 2006 Thing is that I worked on the IT side of Ben Agency and I fully agree that they need to look at reducing the benefit burden, however, they also cannot bucket everyone together. Where they promised to review things in the past they failed why is this different. Anyway I thought the Blair way was to change the way you claim, or rename the benefit and announce a reduction - or was that just unemployment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOTTI-THE-GOD Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 To be honest i personally think the hole benefits thing in this country is pretty screwed up anyway, i see it as if you havent payed into the system for a certain amount of time you shouldnt be intitled to anything and that includes health care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ligs Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 To be honest i personally think the hole benefits thing in this country is pretty screwed up anyway, i see it as if you havent payed into the system for a certain amount of time you shouldnt be intitled to anything and that includes health care There's so much paperwork invovled with making a claim, it can take months for it to actually be sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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