pete101 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) So looks like we are going to be the first game in premier League next weekend against arsenal to have this trialed . Think it's great that we have finally acknowledged this as a major problem in the game and fully support this to go ahead What i would like to know is , what will be the punishment handed out to teams for trying to use this as an advantage ( Mr pep and Mr klopp trying to use this as a work around to use the extra sub that they have been crying out for. )??? I am a big follower of rugby union and it is worth googling bloodgate to see how teams attempt to use these type of rules to an advantage Edited January 30, 2021 by pete101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, pete101 said: So looks like we are going to be the first game in premier League next weekend against arsenal to have this trialed . Think it's great that we have finally acknowledged this as a major problem in the game and fully support this to go ahead What i would like to know is , what will be the punishment handed out to teams for trying to use this as an advantage ( Mr pep and Mr klopp trying to use this as a work around to use the extra sub that they have been crying out for. )??? I am a big follower of rugby union and it is worth googling bloodgate to see how teams attempt to use these type of rules to an advantage I just don’t see the potential misuse of this as an issue. The big teams rarely even use all three of their current substitutions. Faking a concussion isn’t massively likely to me and if so how many times realistically could teams get away with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 30, 2021 Moderator Share Posted January 30, 2021 What are the rules around it? If a player suffers a concussion after three minutes of the game, does his team get to make a 'concussion' substitution or just a regular substitution? For me, the additional substitute available for concussion should only be available after all three of the regular substitutions have been made - there's plenty of scope to replace the player from the existing substitutes until that point. I guess the protocols are designed to remove from teams the temptation to force a player with a concussion to play on. I'm sure there would still be a reluctance from teams to use a first substitution to do that and I know that would make the way I've proposed it difficult, but some of that I think will be reliant on a huge question in this - who is it that will diagnose a concussion? In order for this to work, for me we need independent Doctors at games to make those decisions, we can't leave that to the teams themselves - we simply can't trust them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoelVilla Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Article from BBC. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55352368 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_avfc Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, NoelVilla said: Article from BBC. "To avoid potential abuse of the rule, opposition teams will also be able to make a change at the same time." https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55352368 Doesn’t really avoid abuse of the rule though when Man City would likely have Mahrez, Gabriel Jesus or Ferran Torres to bring on and we’d have Neil Taylor. I just don’t think it would take long to realise that teams were abusing it if a player was going off every game with potential concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Bump.... Assuming this is even still a thing, it's never going to work if the rules dont force a substitution of someone that has been knocked out. And then if the club can allow that player to play on and bring him off and claim it isn't a concussion substitution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I think it needs impartial doctors paid for by the PL rather than a doctor on the payroll who's influenced by the needs of the team, but that's potentially a minefield We've seen this protocol fail again and again, it looked Ederson was sparked out, there should be zero tolerance to leaving a player at risk of concussion on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 minutes ago, Davkaus said: I think it needs impartial doctors paid for by the PL rather than a doctor on the payroll who's influenced by the needs of the team, but that's potentially a minefield We've seen this protocol fail again and again, it looked Ederson was sparked out, there should be zero tolerance to leaving a player at risk of concussion on the pitch. He was. He was mobile immediately after the impact then a few seconds later he rolled onto his back and his limbs went limp. The camera cut away at that point as the City players realised he'd stopped moving and were frantically calling the medics over. He was unconscious. Not sure how long for, maybe not even a minute. But he definitely was. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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