mjmooney

They're going to lose the next election anyway, so they'd do better to keep Brown on as the sacrificial lamb, THEN elect a new leader (probably Milliband). That way the new guy starts with a clean slate, not having lost an election already.

In the meantime, get ready for "The Eighties - the remake", starring David Cameron as Margaret Thatcher, and John McCain as Ronald Reagan.

I don't think Green Dave is anywhere near as far right as Mrs T, Mike!?

Also, i don't think he is a conviction or idealistic politician. I think he will pander to populist tastes and public opinion, as he really doesn't have an ideology as such.

he has no Conservative Vision. His thinking seems to be, continue as is, but be more popular than Labour.

Also, I hope Chips gets fried. I'd rather raise a glass to Barack "Brahma" Obama

Well I hope you're right on all counts.

They're going to lose the next election anyway, so they'd do better to keep Brown on as the sacrificial lamb, THEN elect a new leader (probably Milliband). That way the new guy starts with a clean slate, not having lost an election already.

In the meantime, get ready for "The Eighties - the remake", starring David Cameron as Margaret Thatcher, and John McCain as Ronald Reagan.

I appeared on an episode of Angry Britain

Now WHY does that not surprise me?

am i the only one who thinks Jack straw looks like a scarecrow?

Jack Straw looks like The Demon Headmaster.

Rubbish claim to fame: David Milliband went to the same school as my daughters - AND his dad (Raplh) taught me politics at University.

Earlier this year I bought some candles from Bob Carolgees.

Lying bastard.

Carlsberg special brew was invented for Winston Churchill. He had complained that no lager was strong enough for him so the Danish brewery gave him this as a thank you for British help during the war

In the classic British war film "Ice Cold In Alex", the beer that they are drinking in the final scene is apparently Carlsberg (although Holsten Pils later used the footage to advertise their own lager).

In fact it was Rhinegold, and John Mills was quite pissed on the stuff by the time they'd got the scene right - it took 14 takes.

Well it's not really about money, is it? That Harry Enfield "Considerably richer than YOW" Brummie is a caricature but has a grain of truth.

I'm from a class that seemed to spring into being after WWII due to the state grammar schools and university grants - the educated working class. My parents were unarguably WC - no qualifications, unskilled, no bank account, no car, never been abroad, lived in on a high-rise council estate. That's the world I grew up in, but access to education (grammar school and university) made my life (and that of my kids) very different.

My wife's background was very similar - in fact I seem to have unconsciously gravitated toward people with that background as friends as well. We're actually pretty broke, but we do have a nice house in a leafy suburb. We're - I suppose - "intellectual", Labour-voting, Guardianista types (in a sea of Tory and LibDem voters around here).

I put myself down as middle class in this poll, but do I feel it? Not really. When you get down to the whole "golf club mentality" that prevails in this area, I feel like a working-class Brummie.

So I dunno.

Yes. Unless Arsenal get a quick bid in.

They just keep coming. I was once interviewed on BBC Radio Leeds about unsuccessfully queueing to get Bob Dylan tickets.

I think that's my favourite so far.

Oh it was a belter. It was 1978, Dylan's first UK gigs since the legendary '66. Five nights at Earl's Court, and a massive demand for tickets. But London promotions genius Harvey Goldsmith decided that no ticket outlets were necessary north or west of Leeds, so the box office had people coming from Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Scotland, you name it. THOUSANDS queing all night. At one point I was being crushed against a plate glass window that was bowing inwards at an alarming curve - you could hear it creaking. The local plod were doing nothing to sort the queue out, and people were getting very stroppy. Anyway, at some point during the night, this local radio bloke came around and randomly picked me and some girl to come on their rock show the next day to talk about why we liked Dylan. OK, we said.

Come the moring, and I shuffled up to the shop door - and had it shut in my face. I was the first one to lose out.

So when I go to the radio studios next night I was ready to let rip about the crap planning. The DJ was pure Alan Partridge, hitting on the girl (oblivious to the fact that she hated him) and ignoring me. When I got my two minutes I really let rip with a rant of Basil Fawlty proportions, until they managed to shut me up and get me out of the studio. So I had a few beers and went off to see how many of my mates had heard it.

Nobody, not a one.

I had the last laugh though - a couple of weeks later they added a festival date (Blackbushe), with Clapton and several other bands for the same price as an Earl's Court ticket - no problem with queues, and laughing at the touts trying to offload their London tickets.

And it was a memorable gig.

Well I was a student in the early 70s, so yes, cannabis back in the day. And occasionally magic mushrooms, but wouldn't touch acid (or any class As) with a bargepole. As I haven't smoked for many years (as a runner it's a total no-no, obviously), it's now just alcohol, and in moderation at that. Same as SantaRosa, rally - a few pints of good beer, or wine with meals.

They just keep coming. I was once interviewed on BBC Radio Leeds about unsuccessfully queueing to get Bob Dylan tickets.

I once had a request played on "Children's Favourites", but I slept through it.

Martin Shaw attended my school, along with a Steve Winwood, who I'm lead to believe is famous

Reminds me of another one. I used to work with a woman whose brother was Steve "famous" Winwood's best mate. The brother (Bill Hunt) went on to play in Roy Wood's Wizzard. And I was in the same year at school as Wizzard's sax player's brother (Nick Pentelow/Simon Pentelow). Anybody want my autograph?

Nigel Mansell went to my sisters secondary school.

Pshaw. Nigel Mansell went to MY school. At the same time as me, to boot. He was a bit of a star go-kart driver, even then.

And my Dad played for Tranmere reserves.

State funeral? For Thatcher? Not on my tax money, thank you.

State execution, certainly. Cheaper, and more entertaining.

That's a tough choice - I like at least one song by all of them except the Allmans (who I am totally unfamiliar with).

The Allmans are bloody ace, Rob. Try the "Eat A Peach" double album for a good cross-section of their style.

Blimey - after all these years and I just discover that the theme to Top Gear is one of theirs!

Sadly, yes. That program has absolutely ruined "Jessica" for me.

Oasis are not overrated either, They have sold more than 50 million albums worldwide and have had eight UK number one singles, They must have been doing something right to still be going after 14 years!

Erm, isn't that the whole point of the thread? If they hadn't been wildly successful, they couldn't be accused of being OVERrated! It's all about bands that are big, but you think shouldn't be.

Girls Aloud (say) have sold a lot of records - does that make them better than [insert name of your favourite band here]?

i dont understand what is so bad about U2, Coldplay and Oasis?

Veloman got it spot on. One-riff wonders.

Thing is, these threads are pointless. We all like what we like and hate what we hate, it's pretty much impossible to change peoples' minds on that.

Everybody on here knows my antipathy to (most) 80s bands, but I'll be the fiirst to admit that that's a function of my age; if I'd been 16 in 1980 instead of 1970, I'd have probably loved New Order, The Smiths, etc.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.

What I really CAN'T understand is people who have no love of music at all. I can't imagine living without it.

Ooh, just remembered another massively overrated band. And they're from "my" era, too. The Velvet Underground. Ya-a-a-aw-w-w-n-n-n-n.......

I know we've done this before, but what the hell - the most overrated act EVER is Elvis Presley. Fantastically influenial for his first two or three singles, but then a string of average MOR pop records for the next twenty years. And what the hell did grls ever see in Brylcreem?

None of the above, they're all OK.

Hands-down winner is U2.

With Joy Division/New Order and The Smiths in close contention.

:shock:

Id expect that kind of language from a Bluenose, but for a Villa fan to have such poor taste?

Love will tear us apart

(possibly my fave guitar riff ever.)

Joy Division/New Order **** rule.

Sorry, but it's probably my generally anti-80s bias (as expounded at length on previous threads). I just find them utterly tedious.

with a talentless self-obessed knobhead standing in front of them, bleating crigeworthy lyrics in the most irritating way possible.

This would apply to quite a few so called brilliant bands IMO.

Yes, it would. But it's that that stops them being brilliant. Queen/Mercury being another one.

Arguably the Stones, too, but I'll forgive them due to the brilliance of their '68-'73 glory years.

The Smiths.

Any particular reason for choosing the above?

Because they were a decent little guitar band, such as you might be delighted to find playing your local pub, but with a talentless self-obessed knobhead standing in front of them, bleating crigeworthy lyrics in the most irritating way possible. And yet some people treat them like a bloody religion. Go, as they say, figure.

Why isn't U2 up there, they'd piss it!

See my post!

That's a tough choice - I like at least one song by all of them except the Allmans (who I am totally unfamiliar with).

The Allmans are bloody ace, Rob. Try the "Eat A Peach" double album for a good cross-section of their style.