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57 minutes ago, Laughable Chimp said:

I don't think the added value would be much if at all tbh.

If we kept him and he just became backup for the rest of the season for us, clubs aren't going to suddenly think he's shit and table low offers. They know he's only playing backup because Digne is superior. They'd be evaluating him based on his performances when he was starting for us for the past 2 and a half seasons.

A loan to Newcastle isn't going to add to his value if he's playing roughtly at the same level as he did in the past 2 and a half seasons for us. If he plays terribly for them, it could even tank his value.

If Targett hadn't been playing for a long while, then a loan for regular football would be good for his value because it would get rid of uncertainties about whether he could still perform. That's not the case here. There's plenty of recent information to be able to evaluate Targett already.

Edit: I would actually argue further that by sending him out on loan, we've clearly communicated that we think Targett is surplus to requirements to other clubs and don't need him in the squad whatsoever. At least if we kept him as backup, we could leverage the fact that we still see him as somewhat valuable cover, even if that's not actually the case.

I think we communicate that he is surplus to requirements if he doesnt play either?

with his first half of the season + half a season without many minutes I dont see any sale value would be higher than £10-12. If he plays for Newcastle and does the job, that could be £15-20. Also add in the loan fee and wages saved and I would say its good business based on what the player also wanted himself. 

2 minutes ago, VillaFaninLondon said:

If you read it I did say that in the second line of that paragraph.

 

But surely you must agree that sending him to Newcastle over another team in the bottom half is a bit silly if it keeps them up. The owners and Gerrard have been great so far though so got to trust their judgement I guess.

If it secures him regulary first team football in PL the added value he gets, is probably worth it when we sell him this summer (which I assume we do).

13 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

I disagree with that. The strategy at Villa is stated to buy players that we can improve and add value to. If the club regards player acquisition costs as sunk then the club cannot become sustainable, we need to be able to trade players to be profitable

Its nothing to disagree with, its economy.

I 100% agree thats our strategy, and I believe thats what we aim at. Making a profit in transfers.

However, when selling a player you evaluate current and potential value and what you would gain from it. The money we paid for them are gone, it doesnt add into the equation.

50 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

Unfortunately it does. The "sunk cost" is actually only sunk year over year. The buying Ings for 25m on a 3 year deals and selling him the next year for 10m does not appear as -25m and +10m on balance sheet or in FFP calcs. 

We as a club need to view the book value of a player, player wages and potential future value of a player as key factors. 

That is correct, but the -25 (split up) will still be there no matter what. Hence it should not be taken into consideration in regards to selling.

Other FFP measures as getting the profit a year later etc should be taken into consideration, but thats not related to whats already paid. 

48 minutes ago, CVByrne said:

I feel Ings is here to stay for 2 reasons. The first is that he's a reliable pro and our team level does drop with him playing in CF. He's a great finisher and he won't ever kick up a fuss if he has to bide his time and compete for minutes on the pitch. The second is that he's not a saleable asset (unless possibly Newcastle want some instant success). This is because we need a bid of 17m+ and a team to match his 120k a week salary for us to break even on him. If the solution is to then get a CF who takes Watkins place in the team that will probably unsettle Watkins, who wants to be playing football at his prime age and that then becomes an issue.

If the plan is a new CF better than Watkins/Ings. Then it makes more sense to keep Ings and sell Watkins. With Archer the understudy. 

Whatever is paid for a player is a sunk cost, shouldnt be taken into consideration if a player is to be sold or not.

I agree that Ings can have a future here, I dont think he has been that bad, just not compatible with Watkins atm

4 hours ago, Xela said:

I'm trying to think of the area around Oslo train station. Seem to recall it was ok? I thought the moodier area, at night, was by the Hard Rock Cafe (this was about 7 or 8 years back)

They chased them away many years ago. Now they are 400m north east of it, and its going on full display 24/7 by Gunerius.

Area around Hard Rock Cafe never been very shade, like more than you expect shadyness in a big city at nighttime.

7 hours ago, Xela said:

I obviously hang around with the wrong crowd, I would have no idea how to get drugs! 

In most European cities just go to the areas around the main train station. You will be offered whatever you need there

After watching this years AFCON i realised its not only traore. The games were full of players who looked like both messi and Heskey within the same dribble. So frustrating to watch. It does remind me of the thrill of seeing individual skill be cherished and not just be boring systems thou!

11 minutes ago, PussEKatt said:

Well,thats great.I thought we were supposed to get all friendlies ?!

I dont think the club is allowed to live stream it due to TV agreements. International breaks and FA cup prohibits clubs to televise their friendlies in that time.

Going to be crucified noe, but I Linda liked it 

35 minutes ago, May-Z said:

Brattvag kicked to the side like a cheap little bitch.

I think Brattvåg will survive postponing it since its still 2 months until the first league match this season in Norway 

22 minutes ago, jacketspuds said:

The difference is that Balotelli makes the wrong decision off the pitch as well.

Yep, dont disagree on that 

Signing Renato Sanches is like signing Balotelli. Immense raw talent, but a player who constantly make the wrong decision on the pitch . I rate every CM we have above Sanches

14 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

It’s unbelievable. Can you imagine what some fans would be like if we had Newcastle / Man City type owners? It would be unbearable! 
 

Anyway back on topic.  Great window! 

Well Newcastle fans are outraged they didnt sign Haaland, Mbappe and Messi this window...

16 hours ago, Brentfordnylons said:

Erickson

Dont you dare to swedify his name!

Only Swedes use "son" as the ending in last names of the Scandinavian countries. The two countries who are more classy and educated (Norway and Denmark) use the "sen"! Only swedes could get the idea to use C in anything as well, Danes and Norwegians dont

3 minutes ago, MSvillain said:

Our comms director might though, unfortunately 

I dont trust anything anymore, sorry

Wouldnt trust anyone in Villa to know anything, suddenly they snuck in Messi under the sheets without Gerrard knowing

So a few accounts hyping up something big

All the media saying nothing incoming

Previously signings of Ings and Chambers has lead me to believe no one knows anything about our business...

6 minutes ago, PerryBarrPet said:

This is nonsense. What MG is involved in has no, repeat no, bearing on the issue here. Sexual assaults leave more than just a bad taste but you cannot question one issue by referring to another disconnected issue - unless of course you prefer the ‘judgement’ of social media. 
On to Bissouma: what is the present state of the investigation? From previous posts in this thread two people were questioned over the incident - one a 40+ male is on conditional bale, Bissouma is either not on bail or is on unconditional bail. The fact that Bissouma was allowed to leave the country suggests there is little against him. Certainly a sensible employer would want to understand fully the facts around this case so if about to be charged no deal. If charge unlikely then a contract with a break clause could be used.

Then we obviously disagree.

The MG case is reminding me on how sickening sexual assaults are, so it reminded me on how much I am against this signing at the current state.

to me, its enough that he is under investigation to warrant a no go on a transfer. I dont know the present state of the investigation, but I know there is a investigation thats thats what matters to me in regards of a signing. No different to me if he is allowed to leave the country or not.

3 minutes ago, PerryBarrPet said:

Guilty till proved innocent huh? Not in this country or any other country not ruled by a tyrannical regime.

He is under police investigation. Common sense to await a conclusion to the investigation before you hire a person

7 minutes ago, PerryBarrPet said:

What happened yesterday? If he’s not been charged then his name remains clear.

Yesterday was regarding MG, which give anything regarding sexual assaults a bad taste

4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

If anybody signs him it would suggest the matter is as good as resolved. 

3 minutes ago, Panto_Villan said:

Greenwood was arrested a few hours after the police got involved. Bissouma has been allowed to leave the country, which makes me very sceptical the alleged offences are on anywhere near the same scale.

I still believe it should be 100% resolved before any transfer should be discussed

1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

From what I've heard/read, Bissouma is alleged to have slapped a girl on the butt at a nightclub.

Greenwood is alleged to ( With Image, Video and Voice ) Have beat the shit out of a woman and raped her.

Massive difference, but from a " sensitivity " standpoint, you might be right ?

Yeah, but the case yesterday kinda told me what we heard and whats going on isnt the same. The rumours prior to yesterday about MG was that he had slapped his GF, and then the voice recordings come out...

I dont believe Bissouma has done anything of that sort, but until the matter is resolved I believe the right thing is to keep a distance.

Yesterdays news makes this transfer a no go until the matter with Bissouma is resolved legally to me.

Cant fathom anyone believing we should buy him until the police case clears his name.

43 minutes ago, LondonVillian said:

They already rejected 20m

Still convinced promising to not break the spaghetti in 2 is worth atleast £5m in Italy.

Give them £18m and promise to not break the pasta in two before boiling it.