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8 hours ago, Laughable Chimp said:

This. Most of the time when the ball goes to him, he moves forward, realizes that he can't go through easily, then slowly moves backward and passes it sideways or backwards. Gone is the daring Jack who gives incisive passes everywhere and drives our attack forward. He's been playing it very safe for these last few games when we need him to be the guy that breaks the lock of the opposite defence, not another water carrier.

I'm at the point where I think he is actively hurting our attack with how much he slows the pace down.

We don't have an 'attack'.......

VLD.

I would like to see a three way charity 60yard dash between Jota, Drinkwater and a tortoise. My money is on the tortoise.....

VLD.

Yes a better team performance but only 2 points out of a possible 15 tells us we are going down ( as I said last September......).

VLD.

Thanks Sam, a good post. The reason I don't think it is invalid to say that racism can be overcome by its victims is that I don't believe that racism will ever truly disappear. It is a state of mind and of course it is already illegal. It is up to all of us to try to educate all around us as in some cases it is insidious. That is why I come on here and discuss it, we all should.

If ,like me ,you believe that some people will never change their vile beliefs then I think that it is fair to suggest that all people of all colours and faiths should be encouraged to stand up for themselves as we support them. This does not mean simply complaining that they are victims, we know they are, but to try to overcome these issues themselves. I have never said this is easy but obviously many people do this already. I was brought up in a house where nobody could use the word ' can't ' when faced with a difficult situation that needed resolving.

UTV.

VLD.

Just now, Sam-AVFC said:

Bernie Ecclestone on Lewis Hamilton facing weekend from the last couple of weeks:

What was your point again?

I said it could be overcome, not that it wasn't there. Please read the post again. Not much point posting if you don't read ( or understand )the original post.

VLD.

22 minutes ago, blandy said:

It shouldn't have to be "overcome". Some people manage to prosper financially, or career wise despite racism, sure. But being rich or having a good job doesn't "overcome" racism. The racism is still there, the attitudes are still there. Wealth or success might diminish the prejudice directly faced by an individual, but it doesn't change the minds of the racists and in some cases it makes them even more strident in their views or more self denying about their racism.

Agreed, good post, thank you.......

VLD.

1 hour ago, bickster said:

So was the whole post

Why? And please don't say ' well if you don't know'!!!!! Elucidate......

REGARDS,

VLD.

On 04/07/2020 at 09:32, tinker said:

When anyone is different to the norm then names and labels will be dished out, fatty , speccie, baldy the list goes on and on. In a large majority of cases i suspect its ignorance rather than racism thats got a lot to do with name calling, although human nature does a liking for bullying and general nastiness.

The real issues start with institutionalised racism which is clearly a problem in the UK and needs to be addressed.

We shouldn't forget there is also a very strong.  class system in the UK that stops progression for everyone who's from the lower classes whether they are brown , black, Chinese or white.  Ex Eton school boys in government as MDs , high police ranks, armed forces the BBC the list goes on and on and its not just Eton either .Take the BBC,  its full of upper and middle class workers , presenters who are there because there Daddy was . I cant bring myself to watch these old white middle class people who have nothing in common with 95% of their paying customers.

The debate needs to be widened even if its  uncomfortable  to the ruling  classes.

Hi ,

Yes there is racism in the U.K., no doubt about it. But it can be overcome, just ask £36 million a year Lewis Hamilton for example.....On formula one....Nigel Mansell believed that he was not taken seriously because of his 'brummie' accent but he had talent and determination and fought his way to the top. If a Brummie can make it anybody can........

(The last sentence was a joke by the way.........).

VLD.

Personally, I don't  believe you can legislate racism out of existence . It begins and ends with education, mostly at home through the efforts of parents etc.

I have two grown up girls, they don't see 'colour' at all, just character.....

Maybe I didn't do a bad job after all.

'Regards'

VLD.

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

That here ain't no grenade, brother. That's an ex-oc-et.

 

Yes, very interesting. I hope you don't mind but time for my Hot Chocolate and off to bed. Thanks to all the lads who made some salient points.

VLD.

You are right (thanks, just goggled it) but I think if you scroll down a little you will find a post where I try to better illustrate my point...

VLD.

3 minutes ago, choffer said:

Is it having the ability to lob a grenade, see nobody is impressed that you lobbed a grenade and then respond by saying you are just trying to provoke a discussion about grenades?

Try ' Freedom of Expression', Article 10 Human Rights Commision. Not trying to be clever, just think this might help....

Regards,

VLD.

1 minute ago, snowychap said:

That is not what 'democracy is all about'.

Explain your thoughts on democracy please....

VLD.

2 minutes ago, bickster said:

Do you actually have a point you'd like to make?

Yes, that was it........It doesn't have to be 'racism' it's about allowing people to disagree and debate openly without fear of reprisals just because they may have a different point of view.

Thanks for the replies,

VLD.

19 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

I would hope that he would be allowed to openly express his views. 

I'd then hope that everyone with an ounce of decency was then allowed to openly express the view that said player was a massive dick as a consequence. 

Of course, it is called freedom of expression. It's what democracy is all about. 

Regards,

VLD.

3 minutes ago, choffer said:

Fair play for holding your hands up on that one. What about the claptrap about leading black sportsmen and actors “stating that BLM was a crock of s**t”?

I don't feel I can say anymore on those previous posts as it has been shut down. The passion shown by posters was nice to see though....

VLD.

20 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Do you think they’re allowed the freedom of choice not to advertise loan companies or betting shops?

yours faithfully

STD

 

You are right of course..

11 minutes ago, choffer said:

That back nine must've taken ages.

Yes , lost as well.......

As ' American Politics 'site has closed I hope the moderators allow me to make an apology....

After my  round my gloating partner, asked to see my texts that I had hurriedly tapped out in between holes. He read them all and chuckled here and there. You are mostly right he said, but the anology re 'white power/ black power was crass'. revisiting that comment was painfull. It was crass and not at all what I meant to say. So sorry guys.

Regards,

VLD.

Here's a thought....

If a Premier player had decided he simply did not believe in the political objectives of BLM and had refused to wear that shirt with the BLM motif would he...

Be sacked by his club

Attacked in the street by people who felt insulted by his stance

or

allowed freedom of choice...

'Regards'

VLD.

4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

You suggested that BLM protestors are unintelligent, don’t have jobs and are asking for free handouts. 
 

That’s pretty insulting if you ask me

No I haven't, my 3 black friends in America have, I admit I might have paraphrased their views for brevity. Sorry if this misled you , not my intention. Please do not take things out of context,

Sorry this is ruining my ,already crap , game,

VLD.

4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I did. I couldn’t find anything like what you’re suggesting. As others have pointed out, they seem to be in favour of BLM. If you want to show is a video that backs you up then I’d be interested to see them. Although realise that one or two black people being against BLM doesn’t automatically mean the millions of black (and not black) people who are pro BLM are wrong. 
 

Yes. Their lives matter very much. Black Lives Matter does not mean ONLY Black Lives Matter. Think of it as Black Lives Matter TOO 

But in your example what is there to protest? People that kill police officers are rightly caught, charged and imprisoned. There is nothing to protest. Justice is served as long as that person is caught. 
 

BLM protests are about injustice to black peoples and people getting away with it. If every time there was a case of police brutality it was rightly charged and people correctly punished then there would be no protests about that either. 
 

To not see the difference between the two things is to be either ignorant or, quite frankly, racist. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it’s the former. 
 

I’d suggest you’re very much the one who should be giving it more thought. Your reaction to these protests is to dismiss them as nonsense, insult the people protesting and say quite frankly racist things (whether you realise it or not)

 

Your reaction should be to try and learn what the issues are and understand why people are protesting, not to just label them as wrong

Can't stop, but who have insulted? And how? By disagreeing with them? Bloody hell....

got to go, sorry....

Sorry to be brief, but am waiting on the 1st tee....

Lots of replies, which is great, by the way.

How many of you guys bothered to go on YouTube to listen to Freeman, Barclay and Washington. None I imagine. If you don't try and learn anything , then how can you have a opinion? These guys are black. They calmly and logically explain why the think BLM is a crock of sh#t. They are not racists, or do you think they are? They are simply saying the same as me.

  Where are the protest marches for hundreds of black and white police officers killed every year in the states? Don't their lives matter?

Not so simple is it.....Give it some more thought guys.....

Thanks for the replies,

I,m off next, must dash.

VLD.

Hi Guys,

I hope you don't mind me responding for a while as I am off to golf.

In , short,

By all means disagree with me but please try not to take things out of context so that you can make a point as you are simply demeaning this discussion.

Regards,

VLD.

14 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

Sure.

 

I watch CNN daily and yes, in my opinion , it has a left wing bias. Incidentally,I think Trump is a moron ......

Regards,

VLD.

1 hour ago, Straggler said:

If you can't tell the difference between white power and black power then you are part of the problem.

In good faith if you really don't know:

Black power was a rallying cry of an oppressed minority fighting for equal rights that was mostly used in the 60's and 70's demanding power for the powerless.

White power is a rallying cry of white supremacists and racists which was used as a direct response to and used in direct mockery of the black power chant.

You see the difference?  One is a cry for freedom, the other is a call to oppress and entire race on the basis of skin color.

 

I did know actually. Its is really semantics ( look it up ). You have to be very careful before you censor people. The Second World War was fought so that people like you and I could live freely and say what we believed in. There is an awful lot of 'virtue signaling' around at the moment. The thought police are only one step away, yes really. If you really want to know what intelligent black people think of the 'black struggle' then I suggest you listen to what Morgan Freeman, Charles Barkley and Denzil Washington are saying on YouTube at the moment. Broken down they are saying to black people....

Get an education

Get a job,

Get some self respect,

and stop asking people for a free handout....

Am I a racist? Of course not. But I am not a virtue signaller either. It is okay to talk about racism, I know it is out there but people should stop defending criminal behaviour as well. We all have to make our way in the world and I know what it is like to be 'poor'. I don't have any sympathy with looters and rioters, this isn't the answer but some idiots think it is 'justified'.

Thanks for your comments,

Regards,

VLD.

1 hour ago, Sam-AVFC said:

So much ignorance in so few words.

A sweeping statement without any explanation. Please elaborate....

Regards,

VLD.