Kiwivillan

Wait what? When did God create Evil? I thought you said you had read and "understood" the bible? You've used this whole thread to demonstrate your amazing knowledge of the Bible so tell me, if God created everything where in the Bible does it say he created Evil? You have answered this in your question.. God did indeed create everything..Which includes Angel Lucifer..Who did rebel before God created Adam and Eve. Mark 4. These are the ones who are beside the road where the word is sown; and when they hear, immediately Satan comes and takes away the word which has been sown in them. Lucifer, Satan, Beelzubul, the Evil one...Is the opposition to God, he is said to be the most powerful of the angels and believed to have taken up to 1/3 of them. He is out to destroy God's work. I'm confused. Clearly I haven't read and understood the bible. Where in the story of creation i.e. Genesis does it say God created Lucifer?

Wait what? When did God create Evil? I thought you said you had read and "understood" the bible? You've used this whole thread to demonstrate your amazing knowledge of the Bible so tell me, if God created everything where in the Bible does it say he created Evil?

Wait what? When did God create Evil?

Religious persons logic: Proposition 1. God exists because he is mentioned in the bible. Proposition 2. The bible is true because it's the Word of God. = Irrefutable logic!!!

Julie, I'm not really sure that's a thread that you or steakandchips really want to be pulling at. Priceless, really priceless. Like 99% of the links you and snc have put up.

I have over many years. It's a work of fiction. The end. Bullsh1t Kiwi, If you have read and understand the bible..Even if you didnt believe in it you would still respect it. You would respect it as an historic document, historic writings.. Yet you take the p1ss.. Because I have read it and researched I know it for what it is. It most certainly is not a historic document. If you wanted to put a percentage on the historical accuracy of the entirety I would say 15% max. If you believe different you have been successfully brainwashed. There are some hilarious flaws in bible accounts that come about from multiple translations that people because they are so blindly indoctrinated can not take them for what they are. Jesus' trial being one of my favourites.

Actually, a quick Google shows that this standing up to Hitler is more lies and misinformation put about by this detestable cult. Martin I didn't take you to be a liar. There is a huge amount of evidence about this subject from sources nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. Channel 4 made a film all about it called Purple Triangles.

I have over many years. It's a work of fiction. The end.

and secondary school. What are you saying exactly. I never was taught to take it literally in it's entirety. That would be moronic. Beyond that here's a fact for all christians. Jesus never said the things he says in the bible. They we're attributed to him... hundreds of years later. What im saying Kiwi...Is that you wouldnt act like you do if you have read and "understand" the bible.. The "reading" part was never a problem in the past for anyone...Yeah, yeah, yeah ive read the bible word for word etc and its all messed up and has little substance, its contradictory, its flawed, it dosnt fit in, blah blah blah...We've all been there.. But do some homework and can get unbiased material available to research it all yourself.. It opens sooo many doors in understanding EVERYTHING! I said this before you freak. You and yours think that anyone that has read the bible and does not believe didn't read it properly, doesn't "understand". How about you read it for what it is. Written by man, used to control peasants.

and secondary school. What are you saying exactly. I never was taught to take it literally in it's entirety. That would be moronic. Beyond that here's a fact for all christians. Jesus never said the things he says in the bible. They we're attributed to him... hundreds of years later.

Do you think it is realistic to expect mankind to have entirely figured out the entire scientific process and stages of evolution and have provided fossil evidence to support it, despite the fact fossils are as Bicks has pointed out rather limited. Can you explain where dinosaurs sit within the creation story, or how about neanderthal's? Did Noah include a couple of them on his ark? I struggle to see how anyone can dismiss science because there might be a few gaps here or there in favour of total belief in a book that was written 2000 years ago. A book that has been edited and changed throughout the ages to bend man's will to the power of an elite few. You may well be right that there are areas to be questionned and further studied within the process of evolution, we will likely never have all the answers. Yet you are by your own admission prepared to accept the bible as being without any flaws! If you think there are a few gaps in the theory of evolution then you seems to be willfully oblivious to the fact you can walk a few dinosaurs through the holes in the bible. Let me guess dinosaurs weren't real and are a creation of the follower of the devil doing his work here on earth! No flaws in the bible? That is your problem right there. Great post... The dinosaurs lived with man, this is mentioned in the bible. Why couldnt they go on the Ark? where's the holes in the bible on this matter? Most of the dinosaurs came from eggs, does the bible say Noah took fully grown animals on the Ark? If so, I havnt read or seen that..Also in the bible, God chose the animals and delivered them to Noah...It was up to God which animals were to be saved. And I think if God could create a universe, delivering a few animals to the Ark wouldnt have been difficult....Aslo, if you think dinosaurs are millions of years old, why? Have you researched it? Or do you just believe what a bunch of old scientists and the media have told you?

Watch Hollywood movies

For any kids out there watching, this is why when at a party or meeting new people in a social settingyou never bring up War, Politics, or Religion...

Contrary to popular Christian belief that was not written by John but by a young dude high on shrooms.

I was brought up to believe and read the bible at church and school for 14 years but apparently according to some on here I haven't really read it properly or understood at because I no longer believe. Oops I enjoy the insight into to how crazily our society is shaped by these anachronistic cults. It's usually rare that I have a debate on the street with a christian that has a better understanding of the religion as a whole without mindlessly quoting scripture.

There's no point arguing. They will tell you a circle is a square if it says so in the bible.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John didn't write the gospels. FACT

It's a close second; you forgot the Honey Badger. What do you think a honey badger who's a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses would be like? They don't use the internet so they couldn't back up their claims by copy and pasting creationist websites

Dear oh dear. That means Charles Taze Russell translation and the Watchtower prescriptions except of course for the predictions that were wrong and were brushed under the carpet

Science could easily be defined as the process of finding flaws. See, that's the thing, there's this widely held misconception that science is this rigid, unchanging, set-in-stone body of knowledge when it is really the direct opposite. Quite true. Egyptology and paleontology(with regards to dinosaur skeletal arrangement) were seriously flawed at the turn of the last century and have progressively been addressed. This is the opposite of fundamental religion which attempts to invent history to justify the Bible

Finding athiests who have actually read the bible and are not just regurgitating the usual arguments is just as hard. :winkold: Pull your head in. Baptised Catholic and 12 years of Catholic schooling. It's the knowledge of the religion and the bible that ultimately made me think it was a load of rubbish.

This thread reminds me why I'm petrified of a Republican winning the next US election. That the previous president and the majority of GOP candidates, maybe wisely not publicly but, privately subscribe to ideas that are fantastical, un-scientific, anachronistic, and borderline crazy scares the crap out of me that they could hold office in one of the most powerful countries in the world.