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Laudrup wouldn't be great - I think he got found out at Swansea. Initially did well on the back of Rodgers' foundations, but never pushed on.
Re Premier league experience - one think that makes me really keen on Garde is that he has experience of the league from playing here for 3 years and although it was a while back, the speed and physicality won't be a surprise to him. He's also been commentating on the league for Canal+ during his sabbatical from managing so I'm sure has seen more games than most of us.
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That Jocelyn fella?
No to AVB as well. A more experienced version of Sherwood.
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Maybe we're trying the two managers route. Double the fun.
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That works for me.
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While we're waiting...
One of the really interesting things over the first couple of weeks of the new manager will be to see who he fancies. I got the feeling Tim was shutting out the players he supposedly 'didn't buy' and sticking overly long with his choices in order to prove his point (much as Moaninho does). From that Mail article a while back, Sherwood's picks were Richards, Lescott, Gestede and Gana - all have played the majority of games.
The new manager knows this is it for the squad for the next few months so will only pick on form (and formation) without any baggage. There are no injuries so we should hopefully see a bit more from those who've only been bit part players so far. I don't think we'll see Lescott for a while, Gestede as a plan B (when we actually play to his strengths), etc. Ilori seems £1m flushed down the bog so far - how can he not be fit after 12 weeks?
Anyway - I'm again excited about the possibilities.
What happens if the new man comes in and plays the same players that Sherwood had, with the same results? What next? It could be possible that the new signings are not good enough and will contribute to our downfall via poor performance. I think it would be wrong of everyone to assume that these players are all going to suddenly become excellent and shoot us up the league. They may yet turn out to be duds although, I hope they aren't.
Well, I can safely say he won't. Tim's back four (or three) was never established - part of the reason I think Guzan's had such a shit season. I think only Richards has played every game? And Lescott way too many.
Midfield - even worse. I mean - Clark FFS.
But if the new man comes in, we play sensible formations, players in their best positions, use sensible subs and tactics appropriate to the opposition and state of the game - if, after that, we continue to lose then, yes I'll accept they're duds and we'll go down. I really don't expect us to be excellent and shoot up the league, but I do think we're better than rock bottom and there is faint hope that we can get out of this. Sherwood 'managed' this squad woefully.
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Sidalcock.
You say United was hard after Fergie......an awful lot easier than what he'd face here I'd say !
I agree with some of your reasons for Moyes, but I don't think it's all that rosy. He isn't, by a long way, a known quantity. Regardless of the reasons why, he hasn't had much joy for a good while, his football is very dour, he is, arguably, a bit out of date, and so on.
I don't like him, but I'd see merit in him getting the job, I don't think his credentials put him in front of others though.
Exactly my position on Moyes.
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While we're waiting...
One of the really interesting things over the first couple of weeks of the new manager will be to see who he fancies. I got the feeling Tim was shutting out the players he supposedly 'didn't buy' and sticking overly long with his choices in order to prove his point (much as Moaninho does). From that Mail article a while back, Sherwood's picks were Richards, Lescott, Gestede and Gana - all have played the majority of games.
The new manager knows this is it for the squad for the next few months so will only pick on form (and formation) without any baggage. There are no injuries so we should hopefully see a bit more from those who've only been bit part players so far. I don't think we'll see Lescott for a while, Gestede as a plan B (when we actually play to his strengths), etc. Ilori seems £1m flushed down the bog so far - how can he not be fit after 12 weeks?
Anyway - I'm again excited about the possibilities.
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I'd take winning by the odd goal for now TBH.
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Bournemouth look in the crap currently. Lost 3 of their best players for the season and now back to back 5-1 defeats. It's a massive task, but certainly not impossible for us to get ahead of 3 clubs.
Yet.
We need to still be in touch by mid december.
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Lyon can't do bugger all about it. Staff aren't bound by a transfer window - they can talk to who they want and resign whenever they want.
From what I've seen there are a few people Garde wants from a few different clubs. It will take some time to sort out and the clubs they're leaving aren't likely to rush things but I can't see that holding it up long if they want to come.
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I saw that Jocelyn fella turn up on the odds a couple of hours ago. Had to Google him (i have a least heard of garde). He turns up at no 30 in the top 50 football managers on the telegraph (i think ) site. Seems very leftfield but must be some chat out there.
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Mark Warbuton wouldn't be a bad shout.
Yep - wouldn't mind him. Esp for when we go down.
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Firstly - I'd have been happy with a premiership survival manager, grinding us out enough draws to get to 17th this season. But Allardyce, Pulis and it seems Moyes are unavailable, After that it's a pretty dire choice of those have have premiership experience.
That said, given our awful position, it's going to take something pretty special to survive and I'd rather take the gamble play some enjoyable football and see where it gets us. Imagine watching the rest of the season with none of the 'flair' players risked only to go down anyway.
I'm sure that any incoming manager will have watched our games so far and seen that but for individual mistakes (that could easily attributed to unfamiliar team set up and lack of consistent selection) and bonkers substitutions we could easily be in a safer position. The league is crap this year - every other team has got unexpected results - and were I a manager I would be confident that I would have got us more points so far in the games we've played. It's going to be very tough, but I really don't think we're far from getting it together with a decent tactician at the helm, in very much the position Leicester were last year. Points were not a reflection of their talent as a team and I don't think ours are.
Bring in Garde, play with consistency and direction and I think we might yet be safe. And even if not lets at least enjoy the ride.
Unfortunately, given the mess we are in, draws are no good to us now. A point a game until the end of the season will still see us down. We somehow have to start winning & IMO, need 9 or probably 10 wins between now and the end of the season. Not sure we'll get them with this strike force.
Exactly. We've lost too many points already. Need to gamble on winning games now. So no 'safe pair of hands manager' for me.
Plus spending in Jan.
From mid December through to end of Feb, there is a run of games where we could (and should) win 8 - and will need to. It's unlikely but still possible.
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Firstly - I'd have been happy with a premiership survival manager, grinding us out enough draws to get to 17th this season. But Allardyce, Pulis and it seems Moyes are unavailable, After that it's a pretty dire choice of those have have premiership experience.
That said, given our awful position, it's going to take something pretty special to survive and I'd rather take the gamble play some enjoyable football and see where it gets us. Imagine watching the rest of the season with none of the 'flair' players risked only to go down anyway.
I'm sure that any incoming manager will have watched our games so far and seen that but for individual mistakes (that could easily attributed to unfamiliar team set up and lack of consistent selection) and bonkers substitutions we could easily be in a safer position. The league is crap this year - every other team has got unexpected results - and were I a manager I would be confident that I would have got us more points so far in the games we've played. It's going to be very tough, but I really don't think we're far from getting it together with a decent tactician at the helm, in very much the position Leicester were last year. Points were not a reflection of their talent as a team and I don't think ours are.
Bring in Garde, play with consistency and direction and I think we might yet be safe. And even if not lets at least enjoy the ride.
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Do not understand the importance of a French speaker at all. Football is an international language. It's not that difficult to communicate to someone of a different language, who in fairness probably speaks English anyway? He could be a good signing, I know nothing of him as a manager other than what I've Googled tonight, but the excitement over the language baffles me.
I don't think they all do speak English yet - not well at least. If the manager is trying to get them to play to any sort of adaptable gameplan it's going to be so much more effective if all the players understand what's required exactly.
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I'm really excited about this.
Looking at the pre-tim's departure favourites was very uninspiring.
Moyes would be safeish but dull. Rodgers a better version of Tim. Pearson - no, Poyet - no. It was getting very thin. (though I think Warburton would be good).
Bringing on the French speakers, does tactics, has worked on a tight budget..this could be good.
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He'll out to prove a point this weekend, its Ayew v Ayew
Absolutely this. Got to start him and get the sibling rivalry going.
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some people seem to think a win buys him more time, until XX game or until the next defeat. Then presumably if he then wins the next game he gets a little more time until the next game. Thats no way to run a club with a manager on a continual "death row" of results with him and the club living from one result to the next.
It is no different to any manager is it and there is always a tipping point and a crossroads. That is potentially tomorrow for Sherwood. Then there will almost certainly be another cross roads further down the line. There will have been hundreds of instances over the years of managers having been one result from the sack, got a positive result, and then gone on for another few weeks, months or years.
If a positive result tomorrow was still going to result in Sherwood being shown the door he would have been sacked already. Now I can understand supporters still wanting him out after a win tomorrow that is their prerogative but those above Sherwood won’t see it like that I am almost certain. They will want to give the manager as much time as possible. A win buys a little more time and for me it gets him to the Watford game barring total annihilation in the games in between.
You can say that is no way to run a club but at the vast majority of clubs a manager is no more than a run of half a dozen poor results away from being under severe pressure. Sherwood is now at the far end of that scale and at the closet point to being sacked but like many have shown in the past there is a way back and for as long as he remains the manager I hope he does turn things around and hopefully that starts tomorrow.
I think this is spot on.
Ideally we get 3 points. Maybe Tim then stays, maybe not - there's certainly discussions going on with other managers - but we've got 3 points. Keep winning and he'll keep his job and I could live with that. And, if we do keep winning, maybe Tim's figured it out, the team has clicked and I'll take my criticism back when we're safely mid-table. (I think this is a mightily unlikely scenario FWIW).
One win shouldn't buy him an extended run - it's game by game for me, but at the moment points are more precious than getting rid of the manager. Though ideally I'd like both.
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hutton-------------richards---------clark--------------amavi
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subs:bunn,lescott,richardson,sanchez,gil,grealish,traore
Tim - is that you?
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The players need to work their bollox off for the first ten minutes, get the crowd behind them, then maybemaybe, just maybe we might be able to turn this ship around .
Just give us ten minutes of 100% effort and we will respond in kind UTV
10 minutes isn't the problem. It's the other 80...
Please not another new formation.
Please no ridiculous subs.
Please no idiotic backpasses, individual brainfarts and gifting the opposition a goal.
Need 3 points, expect none, but hope maybe we'll snatch a draw.
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rubberman
Villa 1-1 Swansea
Leicester 2-2 Palace
Norwich 1-0 WestBrom
Stoke 0-0 Watford
WestHam 0-1 Chelsea
Arsenal 1-2 Everton
Sunderland 1-1 Newcastle
Bournemouth 0-2 Spurs
ManUtd 1-2 ManCity
Liverpool 1-2 Southampton -
I don't know why he won't give Ayew a run upfront! He might save us a lot of money but Gestede needs wingers to be any good so if he persists with him we need to find naturally wide players who can cross!
Amavi has delivered more crosses than any player in the premier league this season.
So naturally he's been dropped.
Manager, Keeper and Forward. Then RB (though is Ilori going to play there if he ever does play?)
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I'm confused. Are we still in the backlash against the backlash or have we moved on?
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I really couldn't give a shite for the personality of our manager - whoever it is. Even less for what they say to the media - that's all just talk.
What I do care about is firstly results, and secondly how we play.
Right now I'd take the most boring, park the bus, attritional 1-0 wins. If we ever again get to mid-table safety I'd start to hope for a bit more. If Tim manages that - fine by me, whatever has gone on so far. If not - time to do one. I think he should have already gone. He hasn't, so lets pray we get something from Chelsea.
Pre-Match Thread
in LC4:Southampton a
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Looks like Saints will be 'rotating' players and Mane is out. So...Villa leading 1-0, equaliser in the last 10 mins, go out in extra time.
Bunn
Hutton Richards Clark Amavi
Sanchez Gana
Adama Ayew Gil
Kozak