rubberman

I'd say surprise of selection is pretty much the only card Tim has to play.

Well, if we get 9 points from Chelsea, Swansea and Spurs I'll not be singing his name but I'll be a damn sight happier.

Looks very sensible.  Therefore no chance it will happen.  I fear Gabby, Westwood, Lescott and probably Rudy are nailed on. (Unless Gabby's still injured)

What's extra depressing is that Chelsea are there for the taking (and who knows, we might), Liverpool and Man U were also not at all good when we played them.  As other teams are showing nearly any team can beat another this season (apart from Sunderland) and we really should have been able to get points.  Never mind the games we expect to win.

• I know Sherwood's a rubbish manager, but comparing him to a banker is a bit harsh.

It's a point of view. Wrong, but still.  

It completely ignores the influence of the manager. Take Ranieri - he's done ok and didn't bring in any of that squad.

If you're a manager - that's what you should do.  Manage. Whether you've signed off on every one or not, you manage what you have.  Stop whining and start winning. That's your job. 

Nzogbia's still here..

^ This.

Right through the summer I knew it would take time for all the new players to gel and was happy to be patient.  As others have said, we have only been margins away from a vastly different start to the season - only losing by a goal etc.  We've been able to score, which was the biggest worry.  There've been some really good phases of play both individually and as a team, but a very real lack of consistency.  But seemingly every time someone has shown a glimpse of coming into form they are dropped or moved to another position.

Where my view has completely changed is the lack of any clear direction from Tim.  I fully expected us to be an all out attack team, very few draws, some batterings but enough wins.  That would have been fine.  The Leicester shambles started the rot - the attack part had worked, now shut it down FFS.  Sunderland, Palace - he was completely out-thought mid game, and doesn't appear to be learning.  By Stoke and something like the 5th different formation he'd jumped the shark for me.

I don't really care what he says to the media.  Fergie, Jose etc all talk bollocks to deflect from results.  What I want is a vision and a direction.  I think the squad is good enough and results would start to come, but if you don't let them settle they never will.

If we win the next two and start to show consistency of thought, selection and direction, I'm happy to come back round but I fear that ship has sailed.

Top rant.

Swap Bacuna and Sinclair for Gil and Adama.  Grealish as a sub.  That would do for me.

Should have added a smiley, I guess.  I'm very much NOT in the happy to see us lose camp.

Seems like Moyes is getting more likely, but after 2 failures in his last 2 jobs I think he's becoming a bit tainted.  He's hardly a 'modern' manager and the constant injuries when at Everton were supposed to be a result of his antiquated training methods.

Not if if gives Tim a stay of execution.

On the shortlist for African POTY.

(Albeit a shortlist of about 40)

I'm hopeful that the deafening silence and rumoured 'two games' is covering an awful lot of work getting a new manager ready to step in as soon as Tim gets asked to do one, so we don't have a caretaker period (though frankly I'm not sure that would be any worse than Tim).

Plenty more games to come.  At this point and despite everything, I can't bring myself to believe there won't be 3 worse sides than us over the course of the season.  (Even typing this I feel deluded).

Need Timmy Two Games gone though.  It will be very, very grim till Christmas, but what happens through Jan and Feb looks like it will decide it.

I don't think there will be many other bigger jobs coming along soon.  Newcastle are the next cab off the rank, but are a club in a worse state than us. Baggies are in much the same state as us, but smaller. City have got Pep pencilled in for next year.  Chelsea, possibly if Jose walks, but they wouldn't take Rodgers.  Everyone else looks pretty stable.  (oh - as av1 said)

And there's Ancelotti wanting a premier league job too.  Cheeky bid?

Yep.

I Imagine Ilori is thinking "oh god, please not Rodgers!".

I'm getting the feeling people aren't too sure of Tim's preferred formation and squad at this point.

Leave it 3 or 4 more weeks and only Ancelotti's going to be able to save us with 2+ points per game!

Rodgers to similar to Tim (albeit better)

No to Moyes or Pearson

I quite like Dyche but too relegation tinged for now.

Would take Sam short term.

Would be ok with an experienced manager from abroad - think that would work well with our squad. (as long as it's not the cheese worrying magath).  They would need to have been in a fight though. 

And obv Tim out first.