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Yes his ability isn't a myth its indesputable. Players like Mattheus,  Scilachi and even our own David Platt may have had better careers but Gascoigne was more naturally gifted and but for his own demons and that self inflicted injury in the cup final he would have been rated as the best ever English player imo. 

Ive never said his natural ability was a myth, it wasn't, i said myths like he was the best player during the 1990 world cup was, he wasn't, infact he wasn't even close.  He could/would maybe have been a great player, but it takes more than ability. And youve got to prove it at a high level for more than a couple of years. 

When you look at how some of the media and fans have treated some players in the past, it really dose baffle me to how Gazza gets away with things again and again...maybe it was the fact he cried. 

He was probably the best player in the 1990 world cup. When have we said that since. No can't be compared to Pele or Maradona but better than anything we have produced since including Beckham, Scholes, Gerrard or Lampard.

Again he wasn't the best player in 1990, it's one of these myths that grows year on year. He was nowhere near the level of Scilachi, Mattaus or even Maradonna to name a few. I also think Walker and Platt were equally as good as him in that England shirt in 1990.

I don't like people with so much natural ability piss their career up the wall and end up hitting women.

He was very good his first 2 seasons, awful last season when fit.

So when Dany closed her eyes was she somehow communicating with the dragon in a moment of desperation/distress or was it pure chance the dragon turned up? I assumed she communicated somehow....

How have you all seen it already!

This thing called the internet

That's cheating! 9pm Sky Atlantic is how it should be viewed.

It's on Sky Atlantic 2am...which is good for us night workers.

I episode 6 was one of the worst episodes, but since then, it's been bang on form, great stuff.

Loads of Liverpool 'jokes' aimed at Evra doing the rounds on Facebook and Twitter. Yes, Liverpool fans still defending the racist, biting cheat who left them. Unbelievable... yet believable.

They're still very protective of him. Adidas ran a campaign a few months ago where they had Suarez and others saying stuff like, "you hate me because I kiss my wrists" and "you hate me because you want me in your team". I said no we don't like him because he's a cheating, racist who goes around biting people who's probably not the best type of person to be advertising your brand. I got a few faves and retweets, but then the Liverpool fans started. He's not racist...it was all Evras he's done it before...I pointed out he admitted what he said etc...it's not racist where he's from etc. I even pointed he **** them over...they didn't care.

I didn't have to google it, it was on the pub quiz thing of sky a couple of months ago lol.

Shakin Stevens

It looks like Jack Warner has decided that if he's going down, he's taking everyone with him.

There are so many reasons why WC 2022 shouldn't go ahead in Qatar:

 

- Rampant corruption involved in the bidding process and FIFA in general

- Mass human rights abuses

- Virtually no base to start from (stadiums etc)

- Totally and utterly insignificant in the footballing world

- The bidding process was for a World Cup to be held in the summer

 

There is literally no area where the US, Australia and Japan/South Korea don't fare much better in. We're talking about 3 bids where the host nations have a decent interest in football, the infrastructure to cope with a major international sporting tournament (and a proven track record of hosting them) and no chance of thousands of people dying or mass human rights abuses in order to make the event happen. I'm glad this corruption scandal has surfaced now rather than later because it means there's more chance of this absurd and stupid decision being reversed.

Unfortunately - there is one massive reason why it will go ahead. 

 

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

 

FIFA is corrupt from top to bottom - so is UEFA - so if the FA. (Greg's watch anyone) 

 

Qatar and the wider Middle East have so many fingers in so many footballing pies in Europe that a World Cup in Qatar is sadly inevitable.

Well in UEFA's case they don't like the Middle East money, in fact ffp was invented to cull their money.

I think it needs UEFA to make a stand. Qatar can't be allowed to happen. It's quite disgusting what's happening there.

I think we need better balance to the midfield and I think he's to much like Delph in size and ability. He was great for 7 weeks of the season, but I'm not to gutted. The only negative point is we probably need 2 I midfield rather than one. But Sherwood said the squad was unbalanced, and I think he's correct. We need some power in midfield. I'm quite interested what's going to happen, because it's going to be a completely different team next year...which isn't the worst thing.

Friedel never came for corners either though and that was never labelled against him

It was by many including me, especially in his last season under Houllier. Friedel was a better all round keeper than Given though, and controlled the box more on general crosses.

this guy as well, surely they cant bring him back now after a long wait

 

They might do some godfather like montage where some get their comeuppance.

He made PFA team of the year twice beating out Petr Cech who conceded 22 goals in one of the season. He is no Buffon but in his prime he was a much better keeper than Guzan who has had 2 good seasons in his career 

 

Also Guzan has played behind worst defences in his career compared to Given

Given at his peek was probably the most overrated keeper of all time. I said it then, I said it when we signed him, I say it now.

 

He probably was but he was still better than Guzan in his prime. Just because he was overrated doesnt mean he wasnt good e.g for me Steven Gerrard is also probably the most overrated midfielder of all time but he was still a bloody good player in his prime

I would pick the Guzan of 2 years ago than Given ever. You see I don't think you can have a keeper with such a fundamental flaw in the game like Given does. He's always had it with corners and crosses in general. You do notice it more when Guzan was so good at it.

He made PFA team of the year twice beating out Petr Cech who conceded 22 goals in one of the season. He is no Buffon but in his prime he was a much better keeper than Guzan who has had 2 good seasons in his career 

 

Also Guzan has played behind worst defences in his career compared to Given

Given at his peek was probably the most overrated keeper of all time. I said it then, I said it when we signed him, I say it now.

Sherwood made some strange team and tactical selections. These were almost forgivable because we were winning. I don't question them to much if that happens. When we went through the 7 wins in 11 run we got so excited at the prospect at winning football games we couldn't question it.

Cissokho is clearly the best left back at the club, why hasn't he even been given a run? One of the biggest reasons for our upturn in form Bacuna was just turfed out at the final? Why was a clearly injured Okore played instead of Baker? I understand why Gil isn't starting, but he's not even on the bench.

But he's done the main job, we're still in the premier league. But it starts again. He's almost got to build a new team. There's probably no Vlaar, Benteke or Cleverley next season. He probably needs to bring in 6 with the Benteke money and a bit topped up. Add them to Luna, Sylla, Bennett, Cissokho, Shanchez, Weimann, Senderos and maybe even Hutton going. It could be a long summer.

was 2nd best player on the team after Richardson

I don't think he was anywhere near our second best player.

It's quite amazing where this Given love comes from. He seems a nice fella, but he's never been a top keeper (IMO) and now he's 39. Guzan is a vastly superior keeper in pretty much every way now. I do find it odd, it's like a massive cult, not unlike the Darren Bent/Gabby cults. He's always played behind poor defences, this can't be totally unfortunate.

They could almost have another show on the go about the stuff before the first series ......and they should ....bring back ned

Well there's other books.

maybe a bit controversial but back from Mad Max and think it was absolutely appalling, No plot, no dialogue its even debateable whether Hardy was the main character in it. Just a 2 hour chase movie and not a good one at that

Ive seen better organised Michael Bay action movies

Michael Bay...

Thanks for your spoiler fail.

Apologies, was on phone.

But maybe not enter the GoT thread if you haven't caught up yet? The thread title does state spoilers....

I am up to date

Thanks for your spoiler fail.

We've got another year of paying £60k a week I'm afraid. Unfortunaly the Given experiment has failed miserably.

A solid 7/10

 

Got this downloaded on my sky go app, ready for a night away next week. Looking forward to watching it.

Has Denzel ever been in anything bad?

 

Yes...The Equalizer 

Haha beat me to it, it's awful.