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The Brentford keeper is all over the shop

1 minute ago, NoelVilla said:

I love Hutton

Just thinking that

4 zip to the villa 

41 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

There's your problem.

Football Facebook groups are full of idiots.

Unlike this forum, where we are all certified geniuses.

I remember the O'Neil thread being quite similar a few years ago, especially in his last season. Plenty of people calling for his head, complaining about the "dire" football, not being able to control games, struggling against smaller teams etc. 

No matter who the manager or what the situation is there'll always be critics and rightly so once it doesn't go overboard. 

41 minutes ago, striker said:

I’d much rather Bruce give Suliman a chance now alongside Chester who he will learn from than bringing Tuanzebe back.

Suliman who only made two appearances on loan at Grimsby who were almost relegated from League two last year?

21 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

Let’s not spend all our time on the misery memoir, eh?

This is an Aston villa forum isn't it? 

9 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said:

We were trying to contain ? We weren't even trying, we were woeful and inept, I'm still not over it, even today. Forget about other teams playing above themselves, like I said, it was in out own hand's, you get what you deserve over a season , hence, Hull ,away.

It's hard to disagree with you, we made a hash of it. The Bolton away game in the snow was a particular low point for me, absolute non show, but I still think warts and all he's the right choice for next season based on circumstances. Ironically enough I wouldn't be against wielding the axe on him next season if he won promotion, don't think he has the tools in his locker for kicking on in the premiership. 

47 minutes ago, sheepyvillian said:

We fell just short ? I really don't think so.

Yes, by one bit of poor covering by Adomah cost us. Fulham were a free flowing swashbuckling attacking machine and scored from one lapse in concentration in a half we were trying to contain (albeit dangerously) . It was a tight game of few chances, they got the break. We lost, end of. 

Should we have gotten automatic promotion? Big time yes but unfortunately other teams are capable of playing above themselves, the joy of football I suppose. 

And I suppose that's the reason the three teams who go up to the Premiership don't always go straight down again, there's too many variables in football, resources doesn't guarantee league position. 

1 minute ago, VILLAMARV said:

How much wood would a Woodburn burn if a Woodburn could burn wood?

7?

@ciggiesnbeer totally agree, especially the Yes Prime minister reference.

Hopefully Bruce hits the ground running this season though, capitalise on and continue the feel good factor around the club at the moment. 

Saw him play for Wales in a few of the world Cup qualifiers, looks like serious talent. Winger /inside forward type. 

16 minutes ago, PatrickCousens said:

Pollock?

Think he was having a swipe at Jackson Pollack 

12 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

It was the fans wot done it!!!

I initially thought that was just a bollox article but I see it's from The Mirror so its as reliable as the encyclopedia britannica. 

5 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

maybe Belgium would have won the WC if Henry was first assistant coach 

Or if Graeme Jones was the head coach 

Henry was only the second assistant coach for Belgium, he was below Graeme Jones who was actually the first assistant coach.

Maybe we should go after Graeme Jones instead, thoughts?

12 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

If there's one thing that certain about football, it's that nothing is certain about football. Whoever we have as manager, they could fail disastrously. Or succeed magnificently. Bruce, Smith, Pulis, Allardyce, Wagner, Henry. You just can't know what will happen. Me, I'll accept whatever the new owners appoint, and wait and see. FWIW, I thought Bruce did OK, but it's probably time for a change. If it's an untried manager, so be it. But I could do without all this VT negativity. 

Totally agree with this, will support whoever the manager is next season (including Bruce)

12 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

I see the Henry haters are lining up already, excitedly looking forward to their "I told you so's". And I suspect that a lot of it is because he's French.  

I think thats nonsense, no fan will celebrate failule for their club and I think peoples skepticism is justified for somebody with zero experience as a manager and was only second assistant to Roberto Martinez.

3 hours ago, terrytini said:

I was, er, I mean...you do know I was joking yes ? In light of the previous couple of Posts ?

Ah right yeah, wasn't really following this topic much 

4 minutes ago, terrytini said:

Has anybody considered maybe revaluing the land we own ?

Revaluations are excluded from FFP unfortunately.

@TheStagMan touché  

24 minutes ago, TheStagMan said:

despite winning more games in a season than our European Cup winning manager

I do agree with the importance of context but to be fair Tony Barton wasnt one of our better managers and largely won the cup on the back of Saunders work and then oversaw the stady decline of the club shortly afterwards.

54 minutes ago, Zatman said:

It must be bad when Bruce on that list of good managers 

Third highest win rate in Villa's history, obviously the win % doesnt mean as much as agasint the top flight maangers but still not as bad as some people make out.

1 hour ago, TheStagMan said:

Correct, when we buy a player, that player becomes an asset of the club, so we converted £12m (or whatever it was - £12m makes the sums easy) of cash assets into a McCormack shaped asset valued at £12m, so no net change in the finances of the company - we had £12m of money, now we have £12m of assets (doesn't matter if we now consider Ross an asset or not). That asset would then depreciate over the lifetime of his contract, so a four year contract he depreciates at £3m/year. So after one year, we have £9m of asset and £3m of depreciation (loss) on the books. Net cost for the year of £3m in addition to the wages we pay him (so the £12m spent actually leaves the company (on paper) over the course of four years and hasn't finished doing so yet).

So as we are also contractually obliged to pay his wages for the duration of his contract, unless he is willing to leave (i.e. another club pays him the same or more) if we just tell him to go, we have to pay his wages for the remainder of his contract, plus we no longer have an asset of (in this case) £6m on the books, so it "costs" us £6m loss of asset plus wages.

If we can give him to another club on a free, and they pay his wages, we still have the loss of the asset -£6m on the books for FFP, rather than the -£3m of normal depreciation, but a saving of his wages in real money leaving the club.

So, its one of those annoying accountancy things - whereby getting rid of him for free would absolutely help with cashflow (less money leaving the club) it will make things worse from a FFP perspective, which is counter-intuitive, stop the money going out and improve our cashflow situation, but post a loss (in reality money already lost) which hits us from a FFP perspective. Catch 22 - improve cashflow, hurt FFP, improve FFP, hurt cashflow.  

I would think a player with only 12 months left (Richards) would fully depreciate this year anyway, so if we could give them away it should not hit FFP and would improve cashflow. Problem is no-one in their right mind wants them at the salary we pay them.

 

Yeah, that's all spot on.

Richards signed on a free though as far as I know so there would be nothing to depreciate at all over his contract and therefore no extra accountancy loss would be incurred anyway.

34 minutes ago, TheStagMan said:

so the point at which the club stated his objective was promotion then. OK

Can you provide any evidence that the expected target for Bruce from the club for that season was promotion?

36 minutes ago, TheStagMan said:

So you agree he failed based on the publicly stated objectives at the point you have cherry picked

Again, you seem to be having difficulty grasping the concept of cherry-picking.

3 hours ago, TheStagMan said:

You did. You claimed that cherry picking a point in time to support an argument was not right, then did exactly the same thing.

The only valid point in time for determining whether he failed in his objective is the point at which he took the job and was given his objective, selecting any other date to suit an argument is cherry-picking.