ClarrieBlue

The gap is gone? Last night it was 5 points with 7 games to go. Let's see where we are after the 2 Easter games.

I stand by my previous comments about us not being relegated and renewing my season tickets. The odds that we will be relegated instead of those below us statistically against and still well in our favour. Does that mean we are doing well no it doesnt but Frankly Villa "fans" like you make me nauseous. Having a go at the owners and management is fine but there is no need to attack other fans - the mess we are in is not of the fans making. Thinking we will stay up and renewing season tickets does not mean people like me are any less angry at the club ownership or McCleish. Having followed my club for decades doesn't make me a fool but your attack on those that don't agree with your hysterical comments does show you are a bit of a clearing in the woods and that you need to grow some. I havnt attacked anyone, I was mearly pointing out that SO MANY FANS LIKE YOURSELF are too quick to shoot REALISTIC fans like MYSELF down when we mention that relegation IS a possibility. It is only our opinion that it could be a very high possibility that we could actually go down. And calling someone a Clearing in the woods over a internet forum shows you have really grown a pair dosent it mate...? you have sort of been slightly hypocritical saying I am attacking fans to then go and do that? brilliant... Of the bottom six teams who's position would you rather be in? I think you would choose ours as having the points on the board is a massive advantage especially with only 7 games to play. I also think you may be getting confused between realism and pessimism.

I still don't think we'll go down, in face we'll finish where we are now and QPR,Wigan and Wolves will go. I've also renewed my season ticket because I support my team whatever division they are in, having experienced Division 3 for 2 seasons. I may be a fool but I'm a claret and blue fool, not a fair weather one.

Good point, maybe we won't then.

You don't seriously think we'll get a point (let alone 3) against Chelsea do you? He means that QPR are playing Arsenal, Wolves are playing Bolton, and Wigan are playing Stoke. You'd expect Arsenal, Stoke & possibly Bolton to win, which would pretty much rule us out of getting sucked into a relegation battle. Not that we had much chance of that happening anyway. QPR will beat Arsenal, Wigan will beat Stoke and Bolton will beat Wolves and Chelsea will beat Villa Chelsea are playing Benfica either side of playing us. I think their team selection will be interesting and tomorrow's first leg result will have a big bearing on that. I think we'll beat Chelsea 1-0.

Before the Wigan game today we were ten points clear of relegation, we are now 8 points clear, our situation has slightly worsened. How did you arrive at that conclusion. PL Pts 15 Aston Villa 25 28 16 QPR 25 21 17 Blackburn 25 21 18 Wolves 25 21 19 Bolton 25 20 20 Wigan 25 19

Before the Wigan game we were 7 points ahead of the bottom three, today we're 8 points clear with a game in hand. Our situation has improved.

I had us as narrowly losing to Stoke, drawing against Sunderland with the Bolton game still to play (which I would have put down as a win). I suggest if you're that bothered by it, instead of getting sarcy you could simply do your own **** one. I have thanks and it's a lot more level headed than the one you did.

Amazing!!! We're doomed then. When was the last time we went 9 games and won 1 point? Even during MON's mad March debacles we did better than that.

When there are people like Trent Villa refusing to offer praise to him when we win, what chance does he have. If he keeps winning matches opinions like TV's become irrelevant, let's hope for the sake of the club he can follow this win with another against Bolton.

lets face it he could win the league and it wouldnt change some people's opinions of him i was hoping that mcleish actually getting things right for once would stop the moaning for 10 days at least...guess i was wrong! one win does not a good season make! No it doesn't but it's a win we were all desperate for and we got it so perhaps we should enjoy the feeling for a short while.

I've just got back from the match and had a read of the match thread. Some of the posters on there are either insane or comedians. The last poster wrote that a robbery has taken place!!!!. I can't believe anyone in their right mind would say Villa weren't the better side. There is no better time to score the winner than the last minute and the reaction of the Villa fans around me in the Holte was mental. Mcleish's subs weren't popuar,, but they never are, but it was Bannan's pass, Gardner's shot and Weimanns following up that won us the game. The moaner's can continue with their negativity, tonight I'm going to enjoy what it's all about, winning football matches.

Good enough for what? To stay up, I would put my house on it. How are 3 from the bottom five going to get 18 points when they all have to play each other and top 5 teams. That's a monumental turnaround. Good enough for Aston Villa, no it's not, not by a long way.

They ended up with 39 what point are you making?

I think John Barnes summed up the playing style when he said McLeish could get away with playing that style at SHA but you can't at Aston Villa.

Had you just got in from a night on the piss when you wrote this. I's a bit of a ramble and doesn't make a lot of sense. The concept of a league is that the bottom three teams go down regardless of how crap the teams above them have been. It's the same at the top, the team that comes first are champions, it doesn't matter if it is with 96 points or 66 points. We have 29 points with 12 games to go and an 8 point gap in our favour. Last season we had 33 points with 8 games left and a 1 point gap. I would say we had a lot more to worry about last season than we do this. These teams you refer to who are used to relegation fights are Wolves Wigan and Blackburn I presume. Well in the last 8 games last season we got 15 points, Wigan 12,Blackburn 10 andWolves 8. So it would appear we had more stomach for the fight than they did.

Do they include the McCleish compo though? When did we appoint him? These figures only run until May 31st so from my reckoning exclude, McCleish expenditure and also the income/savings on young and downing, plus wages for them and NRC etc!! Am I missing something? No, I reckon you're right. I don't see how any of the above can be included.

I don't think the McLeish fee is included in that, doesn't the Financial Year run from June '10 to May'11.

Unbelievable analysis, all of a sudden 5 teams who can't muster a point a game suddenly have attacking quality, Qpr have scored 2 less than us and Wolves the same number. The difference is neither team can stop leaking goals, that's why they are adrift with the other three. None of the teams below us have won more games than us, we've lost 9 games, Bolton have lost 18 out of 26, Blackburn and QPR 15, Wolves and Wigan 14 and now with 12 games left they are all going to perform like Sunderland!!!!. I don't think so! Yes, it's been a crap season but we are not getting relegated. A bit of realism is needed not this pessimistic baseless analysis. Blackburn away lose Fulham home draw Arsenal away lose Chelsea home draw Liverpool away lose I think we will get two points from the next 5 games, by the time we play Stoke at thome we could be right in the mix for relegation The Bolton game is back on after the Fulham game, so take out the Liverpool game and let's say following your theme that we only draw,that's 3 points, we'll be on 32. As you've got Blackburn to beat us I reckon they'll get 6 from there 5 games, 27. QPR to get 5 points from 5 games, 26 points, Bolton to get 1 point off us and 1 more from their other 4 games, 22 points, Wolves to get 5 points from their 5 games, 26 points, Wigan to 3 points from 5 games,23 points. Even if our results go the way you predict it's still going to take a massive turnround in performance for three of the bottom 5 to overhaul us.

Unbelievable analysis, all of a sudden 5 teams who can't muster a point a game suddenly have attacking quality, Qpr have scored 2 less than us and Wolves the same number. The difference is neither team can stop leaking goals, that's why they are adrift with the other three. None of the teams below us have won more games than us, we've lost 9 games, Bolton have lost 18 out of 26, Blackburn and QPR 15, Wolves and Wigan 14 and now with 12 games left they are all going to perform like Sunderland!!!!. I don't think so! Yes, it's been a crap season but we are not getting relegated. A bit of realism is needed not this pessimistic baseless analysis.

I did the BBC predictor before the Wigan game and I had 32 points being enough to stay up. We finished on 40, 2 wins 6 draws and 5 defeats. Nothing happened in fixtures to change that. In fact we are better off today than we were before yesterdays games.

The BBC are showing possession at 50% each

Unless they've changed the rule to more than six teams getting relegated we won't be one of them. Another game gone another point clearer of the bottom three

Can't cross, can't beat a man, can't put over a decent corner. Can't tackle, gives away stupid fouls.

You won't find it in this thread!!