TRO

. ....but i didn't say who was doing most of the slanging. I'm just not fussed on the player,me 24 mill , i'd bite their hands off. I think you've just told us TRO! I'm not knocking you, you're just as entitled to your opinion about JM as I am to mine. It's what enlivens these boards. sorry, for repeating myself.my passion gets the better of me sometimes, to the point of distraction.

I wouldn't care how we played if we won a trophy or finished 4th. Like merson said, trophies and medals say champions not entertainers. look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves. for the uninitiated......look after the detail and the big prizes will land.

. ....but i didn't say who was doing most of the slanging. I'm just not fussed on the player,me 24 mill , i'd bite their hands off.

I agree. The club do have to be careful, how they word things, but we need to know the truth. nothing personal, but i have never been his greatest fan.I don't think he has been as interested in Villa as much as he has in his own career.I think he has a bit of a mercenary tendency.He never adopted the club for me in the same way as say mellberg or Laursen. I still don't think see him as a central midfielder either... industrious wanderer for me rather than a disciplined fixture..... I think that was instrumental in helping to expose Dunne/Collins. Ps... smacks of Steve Hodge all over again... for those who remember that little runt.

Come on TRO. Spill the beans lad. You can't say that and leave us. It was a slanging match. but you have to be careful what you say on here....people can get in to trouble. I personally will be glad, when the deal is done and get on with the future. we need to get back to the business of signing players again and get off the back foot and on to the front foot. Ps you either believe what folk say or you don't , you can't have the stamp of runnymead on it. I have little sympathy with O'Neill he is putting his faith in the wrong players and they are shitting on him. Barry & Milner have snubbed him after he has been instrumental in improving their careers. Is he surprised a good player in Luke young has turned on him....he needs to get to know his real people.

....was it gregory who said about yorke " if i had a gun i would shoot him" I would suspect that is currently going through Martins head regarding Milner. I suspect we will be better without Milner...don't rate him a highly as you lot...decent ,but thats all for me. I happen to remember Gray, Deehan & Gidman going in the same season. we signed withe, swain and a few others and went on to make history. Ps its not about who you lose.....more importantly its who you have your eye on to bring in.

..The talks with Milner were NOT amicable.

I would like to see us improve the overall ability of our football and win matches more convincingly. I'm looking for a more cohesive unit in defence and attack.I want to see good positional sense in defence and cut out the school boy errors, by synchronised movement. I want to see more goals from open play and dispense with the reliance so heavily on set pieces.I want to see intelligence employed in offensive movement. then and only then will i be looking for trophies.

I don't think the issues at B6 ..are too much more than that.

Please stop the giant quotes. but he does want to leave and in my humble opinion has always had one eye on doing so.....despite the villa park adulation. I'm refering to Martin wanting to force it through, after he is certain Milner wants to go. you know a little bit like on here where folk get positive with the inevitable. you wait and see how many milner fans now turn and declare hime the biggest shit under the sun after a few weeks ago wanting his babies.

Trouble is the bus can't move.....there is too many players under it.

Barry spoke out to try and force villa to sell him to liverpool for a lower fee. You think thats the same as what MON is doing? You think Barry had villa's best interests in mind when he gave his interview? Pretty pointless discussion if you think those two things are the same. So how can you be so sure Mon isn't trying to force the sale through himself....jockeying for the best price. If I had of bought some of the dross he has, I would be pretty interested in raising some doe to get me out of the mess....because RL has made it clear- sort it out yourself. In my view.... James Milner is Mons get out of jail card.

fil the ground with them, i won't be there this season.

He should'nt have to be told, it should be obvious.

love football...hate footballers Look seriously, they all want to go where the good ones are. you have to convince them that thats what your all about. if not.........MEDIOCRE HERE WE COME.

I have never had any doubt about Milner or his intentions...and if you have any doubts about my stance check my previous posts. ...A steve Hodge for me used Villa a stepping stone and thats all he seen us as. fair play to him, but i simply don't rate him as some of you do on here now if it was David Platt, Dwight yorke or Brian Little leaving I could understand the disappointment. If the money is spent wisely.....(fur rabbits foot tightly in hand) we will be better off. probably 10mill for Keane and 10 mill for Parker....that just about spunks it away nicely.

I don't think we will improve to that extent.

stop dithering, make your mind up.

...on our arses. Thought i would just say that to balance out any high expectation.

That is a very feasible theory.....I don't know if you are right or wrong, but it is a buyable thought. If it is true maybe somewhere along the line Martin O'Neill could come clean on it after all isn't it a bit of truth we are all a bit suseptible and warm to.

I don't doubt some of the adverse comments about Nigels individual skill have merit....its his effect on all the other performances in the team that impress me, as Barry says he gives us Balance....and allows the more gifted performers like Petrov the freedom to be released from the holding role.

...well spotted that man spot on.

I would go along with most of that except Makelele when he was playing and Essien ain't just good they were/are amongst the worlds best at what they do. .....its a bit like comparing ashley Young with Ronaldo. I wouldn't replace Petrov with NRC I would play them together....Petrov does have the more footballing brain and he is a "pick pocket" rather than a ball winner.... but hey midfield is almost always villa fans point of debate.

so don't respond, no one is standing over you forcing you to type. i think he's a valuable member of our squad.

It's based on stats in part, and watching him in part, and his own beliefs of himself somewhat. I really cannot be arsed to go over it (again) in any detail, but his passing is pretty naff, his touch awful, can't run on the ball despite regularly trying, his tackling is good but it's no good only having that to your bow, and for all his effort and 'trying hard' he actually does **** all. And this from a bloke who thinks he's a box to box mid. For all the criticism Petrov's ever got, he does everything NRC does, and can actually play football too. NRC has served his purpose, I thank him for that, move him on to the likes of Stoke or whoever will buy him. I'm also frankly fed up that such a mediocre player has such a wealth of time spent mithering over him. Rather like the talk of Gareth Barry once he'd left, I'm hoping we can consign wasting the effort over him to the past, sharpish. Now lets never speak of him again. you really do have thing about NRC to the point that i think your appraisal is funadamentally flawed. i could disagree with the degree of your criticism on every score......its downright personal in my view. that post is sad and your last line supports it. ps ... but you are funny.