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1 hour ago, sidcow said:

Except 

1) as your text states it's primed for an attack from "the same virus". As I stated the virus has mutated beyond what the original vaccinations were designed to prime the immune system for. They were not designed for Omicron, it's mutated.  And even if it hadn't 

2). Boosters would STILL be needed as immunity does wain:

https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/topics/covid-19/waning-immunity.html

 

I said in another post that most vaccine schedules are a three dose protocol (and so people shouldn’t be perturbed about getting a third jab), but I was making a point about the part of your post that I had bolded.

But anyway, from the text: 

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And you’re infected or exposed to a newer variant, your memory t-cells will prevent you from sever disease/hospitalisation because they remember the virus. They’re equipped. Now you might face moderate or mild sickness (think slight fever, cough, runny nose, chills), however your memory T-cells will help you avoid getting really sick…

7 hours ago, sidcow said:

It seems to me that a lot of people are struggling with the concept that a third jab is actually needed.

The problem the new variant is MASSIVELY mutated from what the original was, it's very different.

Vaccines WILL work but ONLY JUST.  By the skin of their teeth they can just about deal with it.   But people were mainly jabbed quite a while ago, so the vaccine in their system which at full strength can just about deal with this is now weak so needs boosting to a level where it can do it's job.

We're not going to need them every couple of months because the disease will start to wane naturally in Spring as it does, look at how low numbers were last spring and summer.

Next year we will get boosters again in the Autumn but they will be boosters based on the strains which are prevalent at the time, and any mutations which occur will only be a strain or two removed from what it was designed for.

You have to remember that all vaccines currently were developed for the very first strain which was identified 2 years go.  They've not been adjusted for beta or delta or Omicron, they are 2 years out of date.

From Spring onwards it will be more like flu where the vaccines are only 6 months behind and are based on the strains they pretty much know are coming.

Sorry, what!? That’s not how vaccines work! Read the text on the black background. Normal disclaimers apply: I’m fully vaxxed, booster booked etc etc, but some of the stuff that gets posted on this thread….

55 minutes ago, desensitized43 said:

There's some evidence from South Africa but our situation and theirs arent a direct comparison because...

- It's summer in SA

- Their population is signaficantly younger than ours

- Their vaccination rates are different, both in sheer number, but also the type of vaccine used (We used AZ to vaccinate the elderly and it appears this is an inferior vaccine)

- Their population lives in very different conditions (shanty towns etc)

- Their natural immunity rate is different because they've not had the "waves" of infection we've had.

 

Some of the above are to our benefit and others to our detriment. It's all very complex.

In addition…South Africa has:

- Higher poverty levels

- A much larger incidence of illnesses such as TB, HIV/AIDS and Malaria.

- They have fully vaccinated (two dose) only ~25% of the population

NB: They’re currently experiencing around 25 deaths per day since Nov 23rd  (unsure as to how many have been Omicron)

In terms of vaccines: I keep seeing people asking (not necessarily here) why they need a third. There are many vaccination protocols that are a three dose schedule. Get a booster. 

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WHAT WAS CLAIMED

90% of people in hospital with Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

OUR VERDICT

This is not correct. The true figure is more like 36%. However there are signs that unvaccinated people are the majority in intensive care.

https://fullfact.org/health/dr-hilary-lorraine-kelly-90-percent/

5 hours ago, blandy said:

 

8 hours ago, mjmooney said:

I know I've posted this before - and of course it's anecdotal rather than a large statistical sample - but the two hospital doctors I know personally, absolutely confirm the above: 90%+ of the serious covid cases on their wards are unvaccinated. 

 

I don’t think that confirms anything, though.

Your stat certainly helps the first statement somewhat:

“Hospitals are filling up and overcapacity because of unvaccinated patients”

Although “and overcapacity mostly because of…” might have been more accurate wording there. 

The stat you provided discredits this rather than confirm it:

”Sorry all the beds are full of unvaccinated patients”

8 hours ago, a-k said:

It does reduce the chance of you getting infected. It's not 100% protection against any infection, but still a substantial percentage. Then, on top of that, very strong protection against serious illness. Again, not 100% protection against hospitalizations and death, but in the 90%s. So, less people getting infected, and those that do get infected are generally able to ward off the disease without major complications.

You are correct that in simple terms it's someone's own choice/risk if they stay unvaccinated. However, when hospitals are filling up and overcapacity because of unvaccinated patients, as has happened in many places in the world, it absolutely does matter. Need cancer treatment? Sorry, doctors busy with unvaccinated covid patients. Need day or overnight surgery? Sorry, all the beds are full of unvaccinated covid patients. Slip and fall down the stairs and break a hip? Good luck.

The vaccine is a major player in making life "normal" again, by turning a severe disease into a "cold" for most people. Two years ago, people were in the hospital with pneumonia, flu, etc., but they were not overloading the system. The vaccine is there to first and foremost protect yourself, and secondly to protect others: directly, by reducing the R0 ("infectivity"), and indirectly, by reducing your chance of clogging up the system so someone else can get hospital treatment.

As someone who is double vaccinated, with a booster booked on December 20th, and who has volunteered at vaccination centres, this post still bothers me somewhat because you’ve made some claims that don’t seem to have any substantiation.

“Hospitals are filling up and overcapacity because of unvaccinated patients”

”Sorry all the beds are full of unvaccinated patients”

How have you determined these two sentences and what is your source? 

6 minutes ago, Tommo_b said:

Do you think Ben White might be regretting leaving Brighton this season….

Nah because Brighton will finish in a similarly irrelevant part of the table as Arsenal. The Premier League bore fest is already taking shape at the top end; Brighton are just the team who are temporarily making the top six positions interesting to look at but they won’t last. 
 

9 hours ago, bickster said:

Anyway, I'm not surprised that people who got used to cheapp subsidised taxis are outraged when they are invited to pay back the subsidy with higher fares

 

Absolutely. I conned myself, and enjoyed the cheaper fares, without realising the implications, but I hope other people in London have seen sense and are doing the same as me and going back to black cabs. We all turned our backs on them en masse but I hope something good comes out of this in that the traditional black cab business has a more secure future. 

Uber.  
 

As someone who has championed them in the past, I now no longer use their shoddy service.

This is how the booking process has worked out for me the last few times I’ve tried and I no longer even bother: 

I request an Uber. They accept the booking but then spend an age searching for an available driver. A driver accepts, but, lo and behold, what do we have here AGAIN? “Demand is higher than usual so fares are higher” or whatever the cocking message is so they now want, and this is the most recent example, 47 quid to take me less than five miles. Say if I were to accept, the driver would probably take much longer than the indicated five minutes or make a pathetic attempt to reach me before cancelling because he no longer fancies it. Say I do get the pleasure of someone actually making it to me, they’ll then follow some crappy route suggested to them by whatever useless app it is they’ve decided to use because they don’t know the way themselves. 

Now I just don’t even bother and will just flag down a black cab. They’re nicer, quicker to find (and get me to my destination), the drivers are more pleasant AND they are now often cheaper. 

And as for Bolt. LOL. 

3 hours ago, GodsBarkeep said:

Probably not the first to come across him, but this guy looks destined to play for us

Long term posters will remember someone called Gazton Villa who created one of the most legendary topics ever posted on VillaTalk (during the DoL era). Memories. 

Totally naive if people think it’s a few pleasentries about how wonderful a club is and not some light to very heavy persuasion. 

Stuff like this is also why I hope none of our players ever play for England again.

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Grealish, who knows Sterling and Foden from the England squad, along with John Stones and Kyle Walker, said: “That helps massively. We speak when we are away with England about our own clubs and Stonesy, Raz, Phil and Walks have had nothing but good things to say whenever it’s been mentioned.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/05/jack-grealish-seals-record-100m-manchester-city-move-from-aston-villa

Translated as: “Yeah, I was tapped up by the players too. They tap each other up all the time on international duty”

Oh and…Stonesy, Raz, Walks

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One in four patients classed as a Covid hospitalisation is being treated for other reasons, official data reveal, prompting claims that the public has been misled.

For the first time, the NHS national stocktake establishes how many patients categorised as Covid hospitalisations had another primary cause of admission. The data shows that of 5,021 patients currently classed as hospitalised by Covid, 1,166 were admitted for other reasons. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/29/hospital-figures-covid-cases-misleading/

No doubt Jack absolutely loves this club but he wants to win trophies and doesn’t see himself as a one club man. He has ambitions of winning everything possible and one day playing abroad.
I’m sure his past injuries (especially the kidney injury) make him acutely aware that a footballer’s career could suddenly be over in the blink of an eye. It’s for those reasons I think he’ll leave sooner rather later and, guttingly, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if it’s this summer. 

You can’t take an observation of one city and think the country will be like that. Here in London it’s a different story to Liverpool. Places have been fully booked with all tables occupied. Central London has bonkers busy. 

Covent Garden over to Carnaby and through to Soho have been probably the most packed I’ve ever seen them in the fifteen years I’ve lived here. I’d wager any money that this will very soon translate into venues being busy inside on weekends. I’ll be out next Wednesday and again on Saturday and I can’t wait to see places heaving inside again. I don’t know anyone who hasn’t commented about how they’re looking forward to getting back inside places and not being restricted to a pre-booked table. 

In terms of people speaking in bars and pubs, it’s been very heavenly monitored down here. You will soon get moved if you dare mingle with a table not in your own group. But then, that’s my observations from the places that I’ve been, I’m sure there are pubs out there with locals who are shouting across tables at each other. 

13 hours ago, PaulC said:

True but the more people that get the virus the greater chance of new and resistant variants to the vaccines occurring.

Sarah Gilbert said that any variant radical enough to make their vaccine ineffective would also be non-functional.

Also interesting Tweet here:

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The govt are putting all their faith in the vaccines protecting the public but theres still going to be a number of people getting really sick and dying who have had both vaccines. 

That will certainly happen but then it goes back to exactly what Alex said: we can’t lockdown forever. 

22 hours ago, Mozzavfc said:

Anyone had any issues driving after their jab?

Closest vaccine I can get is 30mins drive away

I’ve helped out during AZ and Pfizer vaccination sessions. They encouraged anyone who drove/cycled to sit and wait for 10/15 mins after the AZ vaccine. For the Pfizer vaccine, everyone was expected to sit for 15 minutes afterwards regardless of whether they drove or not.

You will be fine to drive but stick to the guidelines suggested to you by those working at the centre. They will explain everything clearly. Ask one of the on-site clinical staff if you have any doubts/uncertainty. 

1 hour ago, Follyfoot said:

Not sure if this has been done before but could not find a thread on it. 
 

No tools, fist to first, or fist to hoof or wing or whatever. No biting, no ‘tipping’ three knockdown rule, one submission or a knockout

I reckon I could take a fully grown swan, as long as you avoid the wings ( can break your arm) get on the inside and then ground and pound or maybe choke it out as the neck has got to be vulnerable I would think result Follyfoot by submission 

Myth.

I’d win a fight against a Quokka. It would come at me all friendly, and even attempt to pose for a selfie, but I’d catch it unawares with a jab-uppercut combo and the fight would be over in seconds.

2 hours ago, It's Your Round said:

My era of Birmingham clubbing was 96 to around 2003. The first place I ever went was the Dome II, used to be alright for pulling birds but the music was a bit cheesy and it shut early. I went to Wobble once too which was okay.

I spent most Fridays in Godskitchen at The Sanctuary, I bloody loved it there, necking drugs like there was no tomorrow. Saturday’s and/or Sundays would be Sundissential at Pulse, the pill popping increased as did the range of clubbing locations I’d visit. I went all over from Bournemouth to Leeds. But Birmingham was always the best.

Other clubs that stand out; Code, The Nightingale, Steering Wheel, West End Bar, the Custard Factory and probably my favourite venue, the Que Club. I’ve had some brilliant nights and days there, it’s the perfect club to be off ya rocker on acid. So many weird corridors and stairwells to get lost in

Aye, good times were had in Birmingham’s clubs. Surprisingly I can remember the majority of them. 

 

 

I used to go to a lot of these places. Plenty of mixed memories (some great and others not so much).

I remember the earlier days of Sundissential when it was at Pulse and went from 12pm though to midnight on a Sunday. It was weird hours to go clubbing, but it became popular within the club scene and was full to the brim nearly every Sunday. Then it switched days and venues, never to the the same again. 
The promoter was a guy known as “Mad Dog/Madders”. I wonder what happened to him. He’d be an interesting case study into what years and years worth of very heavy ecstasy usage does to a person. 

Age of Samurai: Battle for Japan.

Excellent.