honest_bertie

Office politics

8 minutes ago, Zatman said:

One thing i wouldnt say about our squad, dont think we carrying any except Lansbury

Agree. I think if anyone has been a premadonna at any point recently it was Bruce when fans were starting to question him a few weeks ago and he was calling it hysteria and unrealistic to expect us to be any better.... to which I would argue Wolves have shown not the case in regards more immediate success.

4 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Maybe so JV but I still think his tweet  is bollocks. Sport can be a real stage of impact for positive statements about important issues and for the CEO of a large football club to tweet that to me shows a lack of empathy and consideration

19 minutes ago, Eastie said:

There is money but we cannot spend it due to ffp regulations - if promoted then it’s a whole new ball game and we can spend it.

I see, fair reasoning. 

I like xia, just think he needs to be learning from what seem to me as mistakes.

12 minutes ago, Eastie said:

We have already spent the money now - no point contacting a super agent when we have nothing to left spend 

But if we are planning to build 3 different teams on our assent to premier league domination then there must be more money. Like another poster said, spend money now getting sustainable quality football/coaching in place rather than essentially just keep buying new teams for each stage 

What our Tony needs to be doing is contacting that super agent and if he's not prepared or able to work with Villa then contact the next best agent who came second to him. Football lost its soul along time ago if we want to compete we've got to buy the best possible management teams in and thus far Dr T has failed quite dramatically at that.

I don't go with the argument Villa were in such a dire state it's impossible to turn ot round any quicker. I think Wyness and Bruce would like us to think that but Wolves prove it is not the case if the right people are put in place. They didn't need multiple transfer windows and time to "change the mentality". For the money Tony is spending and has spent he deserve far better but only he can make that happen and needs to identify that asap.

More and more disappointed with Wyness. And regards that tweet of keeping politics and politicians out of sport is disgusting. Sport has always been political, it gives some with no hope a chance and voice where they would not otherwise have one, football can offer lives some escapism from the daily grind, some hope and the feeling they are part of something.

So I guess Wyness doesn't sympathise with the USA players taking the knee and by tweeting that statement I think he is demeaning and dismissing disasters such as Hillsbrough. 

Sport is and should be to do with politics and professional footballers would be well to consider that and perhaps sometimes pull their head out of their pampered a holes and say something, stand up for the people on the terraces who pay their wages, like the American footballers have.

Wyness is basically saying keep politics out of sport so he and his corporate friends can rinse it for as much as they can get. 

Best thing Xia can do is learn fast and get this guy out of the club and get a modern replacement. 30 years out of date Keith.

He will stay for now, can't sack him now as he's won 2 on the trot and is 6 in the league unbeaten. BUT I look forward to the day he leaves and hope that will be as soon as possible. The football is not going to get much better, have you seen a Steve Bruce team ever play free flowing organised football? I haven't and can't remember ever saying "I wished we could play like Hull, Sunderland, etc." He will always represent mediocre and the cringeworthy self protection in recent weeks blaming players and fans 'hysteria' gives me zero reason to give him any credit. As soon as things get tough out comes self preservation Steve, downplaying the size of our club and the fans expectation. Sick of hearing "hopefully this" and "maybe with a bit of luck that", we are Villa, we've the best players in the league, spent the most and should be acting like it.

9 hours ago, DaveAV1 said:

I've just read an article from the Brum Mail in which Steve Round reckoned that they had 10 candidates for the job when they appointed SB. They out sourced the data and statistical analysis to one of his mates and looked into everything, win ratios, style of play, social media personality etc. At the end they presented a 40 page dossier to Xia and recommended he chose Steve Bruce.

What I find amazing is that Steve Round is claiming that they did in depth analysis in to all 10 candidates and boasting that it was a 40 page document as if that was a lot of work. 40 pages for 10 candidates is only 4 pages per candidate. That's not even a decent school project! If that's the kind of work they're currently doing / about to do, just sack them now  I've been banging on about the resources they should have at their disposal and they basically only did 4 pages of research into Steve Bruce and that included style of play!! And this is the bloke who is driving the "Villa Engine".

Bruce, Round and Wyness all need to go right now. That stuff that Wyness fed us last week was just bo11ox. They're all just clueless, living in the past, leeches sucking the life out of this great club and steeling a living in the process. I'm beyond furious and depressed in equal measures.

 

Also I get the feeling no matter how long the dossier and how many candidates they did due diligence Bruce was always going to be the one Round and Wyness wanted. What the old saying, you can prove anything with statistics. Plus also why are we outsourcing, I thought analysis and stats etc was the whole point of Steve Round? More I hear and read of these two more I am concerned they just full of hot air 

gut feeling is that he's not going to work out here. Part time trainer, not seeing the passion he had at Chelsea, all seems like a comfy pay check unfortunately. Terry, Snodgrass, Whealen, Elmo... a lot of money wasted based on the 'experience' 'add a bit of steel' and 'know how how to win' arguments, I'd have rather we'd spent that money on getting a proper manger and builder a younger team that is together and played for each other, with these lot it all feels a bit disjointed. Players signed more on history and name rather than how they will fit into a system and way of playing. 

2 hours ago, DaveAV1 said:

That analogy is spot on. It's not the firing of managers that's the problem, it's the hiring of poor ones that's the problem. We've not been sacking managers for the sake of it. If we find a good one, the biggest problem we will have is holding on to him. 

As for new managers wanting new players every time, that's to do with the nature of the manager we've been hiring. They've been buying journeymen players, or players who are at the end of their careers, who have no affinity with either the club or the manager. Most of the teams, who in recent years have been promoted, have done so largely with unknown players outside their own clubs. However as a group of players they've grown together and formed a very strong team and a culture that is embedded in the club. 

Yes we all want promotion asap, but quick fixes rarely work and yes I would agree a manager needs time to fix the years of decline. But it has to be a manager with a plan for the long term who has a vision of what can be created. Of course the short and medium terms can't just be ignored, but I think most people would give time to a manager who showed progress as he built an exciting and effective team. One half against Hull, beating a clearly off form Norwich and a League Cup win against 3rd division opponents after almost a year in the job, during which we've played truly awful, negative and boring football, ain't progress and ain't fixing anything. 

Spot on

Like Bruce his time has been and gone, would have rather kept Baker

Poor result, could of and should have dominated Bristol. Terrible move to go 3 at back, completely ruined any momentum from last two games then took us 20mins to get back used the 4 at back. Poor sub to bring on Thor, needed Adomah about 15mins earlier for Elmohamady. Still not convinced SB knows what he's doing!

Come on make a change, waiting to long as normal. Albert on for Elmo

Joke manager. To go from winning two in a row playing a set formation to playing 3 at the back today is just ridiculous. Good on him for changing but singlehanded has compromised the 11 now having samba on and Chester right back. Steve it ain't broke don't fix it, if it is fix it. 

Needs to be gone now more than ever, players like him holding back youth players, and the experience excuse is pointless, we have others who provide that. 

He got a result, if that was by considered approach or fluke and forced changes then either way credit to Bruce, he got it. I still don't think he is the right man for job but if we continue to win the next 3 matches like that then I will acknowledge he deserves to stay. Living in Norwich I get to hear the Canary post match analysis, anyone thinking this match was down to Villa alone being great probably want to consider how poor Norwich were, their fans couldn't believe it. They have a new manager trying to implement new players and style of play, making mistakes as he goes. As far as a new dawn, we can only wait and see. What concerns me is that if he did stumble or was forced into the changes then will he continue to use the setup? It worked and credit to the players that made it happen but we have to stick with it now and press on, concerned he might divert back to more negative style when it's not happening for us. Time will tell I guess.

I don't hate Gabby but just wish he would do one. I thanks him for the good times and I respect what he did during my O'neils days but really he just seems to be this constant barometer of mediocrity and shitness that Villa can't shake off. 

4 hours ago, hippo said:

Lots of reasons - mostly because we would be back here looking for another manager come Feb. 

You're probably right but the safe bet hasn't worked out has it? So bored of The Bruce's, Big Sam's, Moyes's options, quite up for an unknown risk. 

If we can't get jonkanovic then give dean smith ago, why not hey?

More I hear about the Fulham manager the better he sounds. I watched the Hull game and for the first 10/15 mins when we went on the front foot we were attacking down the wings with Elmo and Gabby. It's the best we've played in all three games and as soon as we scored we tightened up and lost our edge. I don't see why we could not play Jonkovic's way, think we are probably a left midfielder away from having the balance to do so, Gabby is not the answer in that role

4 hours ago, GENTLEMAN said:

Is Gabby the curse?

He's definately not the answer.