Woodytom

Just now, Eastie said:

I'm happy we got Bruce although some of his decisions have me baffled - I feel gollini didn't deserve to be dropped for the hapless bunn and also tish should gave got his chance long before now - that said I'd have taken the points tally obtained by Bruce so far and hope he can bring in the players he wants to improve us this month.

the play offs are still within reach but we cannot afford any more slip ups like yesterday and need to be bang on our game from the start - I feel we need 4 or 5 to come in this month and let's see where we are then .

Not that I rate him but I find him not playing ayew yesterday one of the strangest decisions ever. Can only think that theres something in his recent links.

9 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said:

I hear that. I'm on my way back from Cardiff, thankfully I met some great people there otherwise it's another couple of hundred quid up the pissing wall to be served what I consider a disgraceful and ultimately disrespectful display in the first half. People booed and for once I didn't feel ashamed of them. That they couldn't wrestle it back despite a much better second half is by the by. The fans were amazing, again, and again they let us down. 

So just because my posts are generally positive (though not as positive as you think I'm sure) don't think I don't hurt too. I'm sure we all do. This is unacceptable. 

Probably the best post you've ever written by the way, it helps me to understand where you're coming from. 

Here's to wolves away (if you're going) 

39 minutes ago, TRO said:

Woody, I think you may have more people who see your point than you think, However,

after 5/6 of demise, it is natural for fans to look for a bit of light, when a new manager comes in....We all want to be positive

I would imagine if you spoke quietly in a little corner in a pub , he would be saying much what you are, He Knows, He hasn't got the players to play it his way.

Personally, I don't see us getting them as quick as we want/need either.....but I remain hopeful.

I am hoping he has seen enough, just lately to suggest to him its not a blip or a bad day at the office. The mentality he talks about will take some shifting IMO, Its been like this for yonks and how has accumulated these points is amazing.

I read your posts and understand your points, some fans don't want to hear it, its like pissing on their chips.

I believe SB will get it right.....I just don't think it will be this season.

Cheers TRO. Don't disagree on much of that, if any at all. 

13 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

I can certainly agree that our performances have dropped off a bit. Hopefully a couple of key signings in the window and I can look forward to your posts on us performing well and scraping the playoffs (seeming a little out of reach at the moment)

Cheers for that.

Believe me, my posts/aura are/is much much different when we're not a midtable championship side..... I don't mean that as in I'm spoilt. I actually quite enjoy the championship tbh. But what I mean is we clearly are performing way way way below where we should be.

We can be in any league in the world and id be happy providing I'm not feeling short changed..... which I currently do massively. That said, that is improving and that's resulted in me coming to watch games again. 

By short changed I mean in every sense..... financial, excitement, entertainment, emotional etc.

30 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

This. Its true Woody. You think the team is crap and Bruce is crap. It really cant be both can it? Or is record under Bruce all luck  

I will wait in anticipation for you to show me where I have said Bruce is crap?

Or, we can discuss what I've really said which is.....

Wasn't bowled over with the appointment

Thought the bloke was a complete moron before but he's grown on me

Has undoubtedly improved us

Had no complaints with the first weeks or so

Have become concerned since the Brighton game with regards our level of performance which I felt results have masked displays...... incidently, all of our defeats have come in this period of concern.

Now, I'm happy to discuss any of the above points but it's pointless debating with people who simply ignore what I've actually said and instead base their posts aimed at me at this incorrect belief that I go around calling everybody and his dog crap with absolute no room for reasoning.

3 minutes ago, Mantis said:

That we're self-entitled, fickle, quick to turn on managers etc.

Who has turned on the manager? Or have we just highlighted some issues? Nobody has called for him to be sacked or anything?

Haven't I been saying for a few years now that it's the players we need to be really questioning?

Fwiw, I think the stereotypical villa fan would be someone completely deluded with the individual talent on the pitch.

45 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Because people aren't always overly negative. I think the 3 you mention have some pretty big flaws in their game, but I don't really feel the need to go on and on and on about them. I do think you tend to go over the top and seem to try and argue down anything positive anyone has to say.

Hang on a minute. The post I quoted referred to the players as a pile of shite? As do many posters when they speak in the Steve Bruce thread.

All I'm saying is that it appears (in some cases) to be inconsistent with the chats in the individual player threads. If we've got such a big pile of shite, why are a number of players still rated?

As for putting ppl down who are positive. Not at all. I massively disagree. What I don't do though is disagree with what I perceive to be completely unrealistic viewpoints whether they are positive or negative and I think a lot of opinions on here have ignored the realism that has unfolded over the last few years.

I'm not saying ppl deny that we've been atrocious, more that positives are made from very little evidence. 

Now in life, it's an valuable quality to be able to be positive where possible .....and in some cases in football it's important to be positive even when perhaps it's not warranted. For example, in the crowd at villa park...can have an effect on the team.

That said, I don't think there's a need to do so on a football forum.... just speak what you perceive to be the truth. Which is what I do.

Steve Bruce has made a difference. That's undeniable. However, we will not take the next step, approaching games the way we are and he is accountable for that. Yes the players don't help but we know for a fact they can play better. We've seen them do so.

8 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

Gardner also scored many goals from midfield in the u18s and u23s as it's known now (formerly the Next Gen tournament), he is a goalscoring midfielder in my opinion. What do you think of him? (Gardner)

I think RHM is brilliant for his age, he's a goalscorer but there is more to his game than that. He can run the channels and hold the ball up well, his finishing is fantastic. Why do you think he is not good? 

I've told you why and what I think. 

21 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

The love for Gardner is because of that header a few weeks ago, not only that he went to the same secondary school as an old flame of mine, that is all. 

So your love for Gardner comes from one header and his choice of school.

And that's exactly why when I read you say RHM is brilliant, I know that the chances are, he's not. And his few appearances so far support that.

20 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

Agreed. The main question should be: "How on earth have you managed to get a 50% win rate and almost 1.7 points a match from this pile of shite?"

Thing is tho. You say that but I'm pretty alone when I'm in various player threads questioning ability...... kodjia, adomah, amavi for example. So fans obviously rate those 3. We've then got baker and Chester and jedinak (bar passing) who are undoubtedly playing well. Then the likes of grealish. There is 7 first team players who I'd say across the vast majority of the fan base, are rated. It's not a complete pile of shite.......... well it is imo, but If everyone shared that opinion my posts regarding amavi not being great wouldn't be seen as pfe imo.

Even in the Westwood thread my opinion of him being absolutely Shite has been viewed as being OTT.

Think theres a lot of inconsistencies in opinions on here. Not necessarily yours.

13 minutes ago, Mjvilla said:

putting abuse in every single post?

Can't you stop making things up?

It would make your posts more readable 

15 minutes ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

Can you elaborate?

Well. For instance you think GG is superb. Who is superb compared to? A league 2 player? Me? My 3 year old nephew? Because he is by no means superb in this league.

My point is you seem to take  players out of the context that they are currently in..... based mainly on you seeing them when they were younger?

I've no doubt in my mind.... and I base this on your opinion alone...... that RHM will not do anything of note at this club. 

11 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

Good post, as a youngster, he was brilliant, the best youngster I've seen but I'm only 25 years old and I've been going to Youth and Reserve matches for 10 years now. He was a wonderful young talent and he's playing at a good level these days. He's played for England at all youth levels and in my opinion, that's an achievement in itself

Do you evaluate professional footballers against everyday folk?

Whilst I appreciate that different teams have different approaches, Cardiff's approach and indeed bruce's reaction displays everything that is wrong with English football. 

You see it on a Sunday league pitch.....'get stuck in'!

All blood and guts with very little finesse. 

9 hours ago, Mantis said:

Starting to think there might be some truth in the stereotype of Villa fans.

What's the stereotype?

Birmingham mail seem to believe it's true.

I find the thought of it hilarious and just sums up this horribly inept excuse for a player.

9 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

Point scoring, yawn.

Your point doesn't even make sense. Total false equivalence. Hoping one of your own players breaks his leg because you don't like him is much different to what I said because they all kicked our players all game.

You know that though. 

Wishing a broken leg on anyone is pretty low.

1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

I get what you are saying but it as if you are always purposely ignoring the fact that we have some shite football players in the squad who can barely pass!!

Are you really suggesting that I don't recognise the players are shite?

1 minute ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Bruce can only try to set up a way to be effective with what he has at his disposal.

Can't go onto the pitch or use a videogame controller to boost abilities.

No he can't, but there is no excuse for not turning up. It's unacceptable and is becoming a bit of a regularity recently. Hence my concerns in recent weeks where Ive felt results have masked performances and have rode on an element of luck.

I don't actually think we've played well since the Brighton game.

4 hours ago, StefanAVFC said:

Hope Cardiff lose 10 players to broken legs, 

Bit sick isn't it?

Weren't you sickened by similar posts re Westwood?

Almost like the standard of football we play is an issue and needs addressing .

Better players are required but not to simply 'turn up' which we aren't even doing in a lot of games recently.

Questions need to be asked of Steve Bruce imo.. With regards his woeful football and strange decisions!

Just now, Stevo985 said:

If my post was viewed as some sort of defense of either player, it certainly wasn't intended that way.

It wasn't 

1 hour ago, Stevo985 said:

Both he and Gardner are only ever good when they're alongside a better player.

That kind of tells you everything we need to know tho.

I know you're not necessarily suggesting such but how often have we heard the excuses of 'he only works in a 3' etc. These were clues. Big clues... that he's shite. Good players perform well on their own merit. Not based on what's around them.... albeit that of course can enhance performance.

Wonder if people still think it's extreme to call him abysmal?

2 hours ago, Keyblade said:

You seem to be saying that sarcastically so I'll ask, do you think Gana is a shit player?

Eh?

My point was that all the while when I was saying the vast majority of players were rubbish (and using our position as proof) people would say that good players can play in bad teams.

That is true, however, the amount of players that were rated on this forum and the extent to which they were rated, was totally disproportionate to our position.... (still is tbh).

As for Gana. He's not shit. Thought he was the best player in the world for twenty minutes v man its before becoming pretty average overall tho obviously one of our better players.

Again, don't think he's sustained his early season form for Everton but is quite clearly a decent player who underperformed for us.

Not really sure what your point is as you've simply reiterated my argument that its more than plausible that not all the Rotherham United players are as bad as Ashley Westwood.