meregreen

He's a very poor striker, and has been for a long time. No brain, no finishing ability, little or no guts. Please let this waste of space leave my club.

I will renew. After 50 years watching them, what else would I do. I've been through darker days than these. It's funny though, even the Third division days were more fun than this. Oh well, keep the faith.

Can't believe how many people still defend this mediocrity. The guy isn't good enough. When Bent is fit again he will be dropped, and hopefully offloaded in the Summer.

And me.

On his form yesterday, nowt.

VILLAFC2000,

Your viewpoint seems to be that because the UK took part in the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 (and you won't find many posters on here arguing that was a good thing), the liberation of British territory and people 30 years ago was the wrong thing to do. You have suggested that the war was worthless and the Islanders should now be ethnically cleansed after 8 or more generations of living there and relocated to another country (UK), all to satisfy a deeply spurious claim by Argentina, a country that has described the Islanders as "non people" and have form for treating them like s**t.

Is that a fair summary? If so what exactly do you think the invasion of Iraq has to do with the liberation of the Falklands in 1982?

Well, well, well we agree that the Iraq War was indeed an illegal invasion in 2003. I am glad we agree on something.

Firstly I would like to point out that I don’t believe in war – its brutal there are no winners only causalities. If History teaches us anything its that men and nations behave appropriately once they have exhausted all other alternatives.

Do I believe in the right wing extremism that Argentina imposed? Absolutely not what happened was ridiculous. I think there could have been other ways to have resolved the situation – who knows.

People are quick to take the moral high ground and point out and criticize Argentina for invading the Falklands aggressively but seem to forget that we invade countries illegally, apparently for oil.

The argument I have is that there are often two sides to the story that are not always evenly put across. To suggest that I believe the Island should be ethnically cleansed is laughable. If the Islanders want to remain British I truly believe they should absolutely have the right to remain British that does not mean the land has to belong 100% British.

I find it difficult to accept that in 2012, Territory 12 000 miles away deserves to be British for eternity.

30 years on, not only is Argentina a democracy but Argentina and South America are extremely vital economic trading nations. Brazil is one of the fastest developing BRIC nations in the World. We the UK are in times of economic hardship. This changes the dynamics in a lot of aspects. It’s in our interests to keep positive relations with as many countries as possible.

Thats just my opinion..!

So its wrong to invade Iraq for money, ie oil. But its okay to allow two thousand people to have their land taken from them because its in our financial interests to do so. Interesting double standards there.

. You can't just turf them out and hand over their home to Argentina because other countries think that would be the right thing to do.

Anyway, Latin American countries aren't going to refuse to trade with us over something as small as this.

Oh really you cant just go over to another country and invade them.

Do you remember that illegal war we had with Iraq which 1 million people died in...?

Oh dear. 1 million is yet another fact you appear to have picked for effect rather than accuracy. The body count for Iraq currently standc at between 105,890 and 115,694. Appalling of course, but not as you say,1,000,000. Check your facts please.

I will think you will find George Galloway voted for the war in the Falkands for exacly those reasons - Did you know that...?

In what sense? He wasn’t an MP until 1987...

Now that is worth a !

Yep, that's a tremendous example of total pwnage!

George Galloway supported the invasion of the Falkands are you saying he didnt.

Who cares what Galloway thinks? But if he wasn't even an MP, he didn't as you say, vote on it. You appear to have been found out big time in a blatant assumption.

It's got nothing to do with arrogance FFS. The Falklands are British islands and the islanders want to remain on that island as British citizens. You can't just turf them out and hand over their home to Argentina because other countries think that would be the right thing to do.

Anyway, Latin American countries aren't going to refuse to trade with us over something as small as this.

Exacly the point if its a small issue what the f--k was the point in going to war over it...?!

For a start the Islands are thousands of miles aways from the UK. It’s a bit like saying Argentina are well within their rights to claim the Isle of the man. There is something thats been around for a long time its called common sense.

The Argentines claim the islands, most latin countries back this and the majority of other countries also back this FOR THESE MAIN REASONS.

You cannot translate 2000 of you own settlers at the time of the Falkland war and put them on vacant territory and them claim that you have sovereignty over those islands forever.

If the local residents want to remain brittish. Why not give them money to relocate to Brittian a nation which they want to be part of.

You do the Maths there are 2000 people in the Falkands. Its has cost us Billions in the Falkands.

Or let the UN decide.

Cheers.

Your comparison doesn't even make sense. The Isle of Man isn't an Argentinian territory and the people who live on the Isle of Man aren't demanding to be part of Argentina. As meregreen said, the principle of self determination is key here. The islanders (you know, the people that actually live there) want to remain on the island as Brits. Nobody other than the islanders should get to decide who the Falklands belongs to. Not Britain, not Argentina and certainly not other Latin American countries. I find it utterly appalling that you think they should be kicked off their home just because you want to pander to Latin America.

I really don't understand your reasons behind wanting to give the Falklands to Argentina. Is it the cost?

Is it the cost - lol...! Do you actually no how much those Islands have cost us.

As you correctly ponted out - this is a small issue there was no need to go to war over these islands.

The UK is nowhere near the Falklands - it makes no sense.

Where did those 2000 people come from and how long have they lived there for...?

By your philosophy Australians should all come back as should all non native Americans. Incidentally most Argentinians came from Spain and Italy, should they all leave as well. The current islanders have been there since 1830. Prior to this the islands were uninhabited.If you trade the human rights of one man, we are all the poorer for it. Not all human principles should be judged by the fiscal cost.

What he said about the Falkands was absolutely correct its redicoulous that we fought over island thousands away - with a poplulation no bigger than neverstowy. Imagine if Argentina tried to take the Isle of Man. Do you realize virtually the only Country in the world that thinks we should keep the Falklands are ourselves....! Argentina Brazil and virtually all the other Latino countries think we should not to have. Not to mention European countries, China ect. If any of those countries decided to put not to trade with us it would be a disaster for the economy.

I dont agree with everything he says but he is a very astute politician for sure. It will be good to see him in Parliament - after all we do live in a democracy where he was voted in.

What are you talking about? The islanders want to remain British. It's a British island. End of. What other Latin American countries think is irrelevant. They're going to side with Argentina anyway for obvious reasons.

Thats where your wrong.

Thats like saying we agree with everything that France and Germany say for obvious reasons. That argument makes no sense. Its not just Latin Countries that think that, the vast majorities of countries outside the SA have expressed concerns. Its only our arrogance that demands we should keep them.

In fact its really only the UK that think we should keep them - that speaks volumes..!

If the Islanders want to remain Brittish then thats absolutely fine - relocate them to the UK.

Your ignorance astounds me. When the British settled the islands, they were uninhabited. No Argentinians have ever lived there. The islands are four hundred miles from Argentina, not exactly within their territorial waters. It is for the people of those islands to decide if they wish to be part of Argentina, no one else has the right to impose this upon them. The priciple of self determination is an important one. To ignore it, would mean that threats and coercion would hold sway. That is a road we would all tread at our peril.

If I was going to dish 100k to someone's organisation I'd want to speak to the people involved. You don't see Peter Jones jizzing money at people then say "run along now, see you in another 4 years".

Surely donors donate money to a party because they support their policies? So can theY not discuss policy?

Obviously not saying " I paid you 100k so do x y and z" but to be able to discuss policy and debate it face to face? What's the problem?

Its called corruption. They should have no more right to influence policy than anybody else. Merit should be the only guide for legislation, not how much money you throw at a party.

Humans were born with altruistic tendencies too, some display the trait more than others. Humans with a more altruistic nature were probably important in societies as pure selfishness is destructive.

What you say is very true and such insticts undoubtedly played an important role in human development.

However, what I would appreciate one or two people taking on board, is that I dealt with the 'people's paradises' close up and from the inside. Without exception they were rotten to the core, and the poverty they inevitably created led to at least some of the "post apocolyptic" conditions referred to above... Communism allows no room for altruism.

The general dislike of Thatcherite economics ignores the emergence of the selfish gene in socialist heroes such as Blair, Prescott and Mandelson, to name but a few recent leaders. I would argue these lads are wholly representative of their particular political class.

However moronic their socialist spoutings before obtaining power, once they got their snouts in the trough, the selfish gene took over and guzzle guzzle guzzle was all they could think of.

Be it Ceaucescu, Mengistu, Mugabe, Ghaddafi or Blair, these boys all end up at the opposite end of the line to socialist good intentions... and they will continue to do until they can spin a web out of their arsehole and catch flies for breakfast.

I apologise for repeating myself again, but that's just the way it is...

Depends whether you believe any of the afformentioned were Socialists in the first place. I would prefer to equate Socialism with the likes of Nye Bevan, Mo Mowlam, Clement Attlee, Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Robin Cooke, John Smith etc. As for sticking their snouts in the trough. Well yes , human frailty may well cause some of them to succumb to the more base avaricious tendencies of the human psyche. But I find it overly cynical to attribute such tendencies as the norm. Indeed I believe such avaricious characteristics are to be found far more in evidence in the modern Tory party.

Just been past my local hospital ..Imagine my surprise at seeing it appearing to function perfectly

If one believed Facebook status updates and the Daily Mirror I was expecting to see it in a giant coffin being lowered into the ground

Thats the thing about the Tory plans for the NHS you see. It will be a slow death rather than a quick one.

Most overated player at VP. Little or no guile. Simply pacy, a one trick pony. Sell him .

Hard work doesn't seem to come into it. Bankers seem to qualify for huge bonuses regardless of their performance. Does anyone know what a bankers performance has to be for them not to qualify for an obscene bonus ?

Camerons Tory Party. A truly evil bunch of Ba****ds.

Hope he leaves in the summer. As a team we need to move on and bring in a more creative player.

I also disagree Chinders. But stoking up a 'debate' with AWOL really ain't worth it, as you say.

If you had confidence in the factual and intellectual basis of your pro-EU stance then you'd be able to 'debate' your POV perfectly well.

Easier to make it personal though, eh.

I believe you were the one who used the word "Twunts". If you cant take it, then don't give it.

Sweet cigarettes and Spanish Gold a very sweet fake tobacco in a cloth bag. Gone for rather obvious reasons.

What happens to the Labour party if the Unions that fund it decide to stop funding it and go off and createtheir own left party that they believe would hold better to the beliefs of the left wing of policy makers in this country?

Same thing that happens to any other party. They have to rely on the donations of individual benefactors and members subs. Both the major parties ie Tory and Labour rely on Corporate or Union funds. The only difference is the Unions have to ask the permission of their members to do so. Will shareholders ever get the same right ?

and as I said previously I couldn't care less what the value of payout he received from the club was. The more important thing to me was that the club was found to be in the wrong when a manager resigned.

ERGO, club at fault not MON

What payout?

What statement finds fault with the club?

Settled "amicably" could mean anything. For all we know it could simply mean all parties decided to let the whole thing drop and say nothing to inflame the situation. We simply don't know.

Quite frankly I think as fans we have far more serious concerns about our club than this.

He quit, end of story.

The closest ground to Villa Park is St Andrew's.

no its not

Yes it is.

Closest ground to Villa Park - St Andrew's

Closest ground to St Andrew's - Villa Park

Closest ground to the Hawthorns - Villa Park

Actually your wrong. It's 3.5 miles from VP to the Sty, and only 3.1 miles to the Hawthorns.

To the Blues fans, it meant everything.

That is why I wanted Blues to win.

Did it mean everything to you?

No but I was pleased for them.

I wasn't. A bunch of inbred knuckle dragging chav c***ts . They bring nothing but shame and embarrassment to this great city. They live in a deluded world where they think they are our equals.The world would be a better place if their squalid little club was wiped from the earth and all trace of them was flushed down the toilet from which most of them crawled. I hate every single one of the sister screwing scum bags.Hope they gave Wembley a good fumigation after they crawled away from the place. It would mean everything to me if they went to the wall with that Chinese spiv. I think I need to go and lie down now, thinking too much about those retards makesw me feel quite ill

Every now and again the real Cameron pokes out from under the PR inspired image he fosters. Its not a very pretty picture. Totally unfit for high office.

Longish article from the BMJ but worth a read if you've got a few minutes....[snip]

Tory b###stards will try to use this bankers recession to implement a long term dismantling of the welfare state. They really are dreadful people. God help our country and our children if they succeed.