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1500 jobs being created by Jaguary Land Rover in the North West, so a bit of good news there.

Most likely either short term contracts or agency hire em and fire em posts. Halewood have already started dumping agency people. 50 on Christmas eve, how about that for a caring company.

But finishing in top spot would no longer mean you've won the leaguequote]

Really. If this ever happens, I for one will consider the money men have finally killed the whole point of the game. Ideas like this coming from fans make me weep. The game of football is great as it is, lets just leave it be.

Back to his anonymous worst today. Like a few others. Needs to be replaced as soon as possible.

No it was meant as a broader definition of what Drat labels 'little Englanders', by which he means a closet nazi, itching to rebuild the gas chambers.

What a dreadful thing to say. I don't believe for one minute that Drat thinks that. Rather he probably thinks of " Little Englanders" as those people whose narrow views of the world tends to preclude taking a broader more internationalist stance on many of the problems facing us. Using such insulting and derogatory alalogies as the one you throw at Drat simply makes me think that perhaps in your case the cap is rather a good fit.

they will beat maribor and i cant see bruges beating braga

Haven't Bruge already beaten them in Braga. Why would they not beat them at home ?

In capitalism there's no such thing as being too big to fail, if you **** up then that's it, you're done. It's that risk that lets the system grow and evolve. When the risk isn't there the market stagnates and innovation disappears and exploitation appears in its place.

This, bang on the button, cartels flourish. The more i read about our system the more it seems to be wrong.

"The coporation of the city of London", 9000 residents and an MP.....how does that work? Their own police force, 3 private schools.......

London weighting, another artificial method to support a system thats not working, ie if you cant afford to work in London then either raise your prices or don't work there.

The power companies have a monopoly. We have to pay for our water that drops from the skys ffs.

Big business has the biggest lobby of any of our sectors of society. The unions represent most of the countries working population and any lobbying power they have is frowned upon by the press........big business.

The public sector are now being criticised for fighting to keep what they have had for years, they are not changing the playing field, the government are, yet the unions get the stick, why?

Agree with everything but the final part. Pensions have to change as people are living longer than when the current retirement age was set. Its painful but with an ageing population we need to work longer.

We already work longer than most of the rest of Europe. We most certainly do not need to work longer. This is a red Herring propogated by the wealthy to avoid having to share their immense wealth in order to p;rovide for the many. Company Directors incomes increased by an obscene 47% last year. Lets target those with the deepest pockets, not the final pensions of those who have worked all their lives for what in most cases are quite small pensions.

I can.

- Retirement age increased to 67.

- Privatization of the NHS.

- University fees increasing from 3k to 10k.

- Tax breaks for the richest 0.5%.

- pensions decreases.

- unemployment 2.5 million

- double dip recession

I can totally see why the average working person would vote for them. What Cameron knows about fairness, equality and basic rights you can right on a grain of rice with a marker pen...!

All those who voted for Cameron are finding out just what a Torie goverment is about.

Weird set of things to make your point with!

- Retirement age increased to 67 - Plans to increase retirement age announced by former Labour government.

- Privatization of the NHS - NHS spending doubled under Labour government with no notable improvement in standard of care, is it wrong to try a different approach?

- University fees increasing from 3k to 10k. - University tuition fees introduced by Labour government, did they think they would never go up?

- Tax breaks for the richest 0.5%. - Not sure which piece of legislation you're referring to?

- pensions decreases. - This one is the most laughable point to make after Mr Brown's record on pensions.

- unemployment 2.5 million - Unemployment has been trending upwards since 1992

- double dip recession - Under which government did the economic crisis and first dip of the recession start? Do you remember who stood before parliament and proclaimed 'Gone are the days of boom and bust'?

Not weird at all.

Retirement age increase accelerated.

Massive improvements WERE seen in the NHS.Length of waiting lists were at an all time low, they are now rising rapidly.

University fees were trebled within one year.

Tax breaks for the richest 0.5% were on Osbornes wish list, only the possibility of a Lib Dem revolt prevented this.

Brown demanded that pension funds carried enough funds to cover their future liabilities and set up a funded reserve to protect the pensions of workers whos employers go bust. Something no Tory government would ever do. Expect this protection to be removed if Georgie Porgy has anything to do with it.

Unemployment, particularly youth unemployment dropped drastically after 1997. It hasn't taken the Tories long to start making our young people pay that "price worth paying"

Still trying to blame Brown for the world banking crisis. That crisis is still with us. The only difference is we have a fiscal idiot with his hand on the

tiller now, so things are rapidly deterioating.Incidentally, Brown may not have achieved an end to boom and bust, but he did preside over the longest period of sustained growth in our economy in recent times. History I think will be a kinder judge of him than those with a vested interest in denigrating the man.

Why is Petrov taking corners?!

why is the hasbeen even playing.

Great strike for his goal. But that simply doesn't make up for his very average performances over the last two years. Other than Bannan, I thought our midfield was pretty awful.

This has probably been the worst half of football I have seen from Villa in the last 5 years. Absolutely shocking half. How Everton arent 4-0 up..

Weve played much MUCH worse than this in the past 5 years

Petrov is absolutely woeful.

And has been for some time.

I hate the blues dont get me wrong.

Would love to see them come up though. Id do anything for a proper Derby game. Its about all we've got.

It isn't all we've got. Good or bad, we have a season of Premiership football to look forward to. And they haven't. It will be a pleasure to be deprived of their deluded ramblings about being Birminghams top club. They are where they belong, long may they stay there.

This whole drawn out saga is becoming yet another embarrassing example of our clubs inability to close a simple transfer deal. Are we really talking about a measly million quid. I hoped I'd seen the last of this type of thing. Ellis F***d up over Robbie Keane. please Randy, don't do the same over N'Zogbia. We should close this deal now, or find ourselves being classed as penny pinching also rans.

I'm fully aware that Small Heath is a place being from Birmingham. However I'm talking about the football club Small Heath rather than the new name they like to be called which is correct (if you forget that it is sadly no longer their name)

For some of us it will ALWAYS be their name.

And the Tories are about to give him total control of Sky. I don't think he's a fit and proper person to run a public lavatory, never mind the largest chunk of our media.

Have to say , people from the sub continent are amongst the most racist in the world. If your story was reversed and a white family were treating the relationship of an Asian man and white woman in such a way, people would be horrified. Yet amongst Asian communities, such attitudes are widely held. Very sad.

Petrov and Reo in Midfield. Not too many forward balls there then. Hopefully Makoun will get on at some stage.

can someone give me an hypothetical example (like the Hall Green example earlier) how the AV system DOESN'T favour extremist parties like the BNP?

as that is currently my biggest reason to be wary of AV, and i can't work out why people say it doesn't favour the BNP.

If thats the case then why are the BNP against AV and in favour of FPTP ?

Allocation 1,700 sold 400

Their club does not deserve shit support like that. They really are a most

ungrateful bunch of chavs :oops:

I cup in 137 years, absolutely their club deserves support like that.

The Birmingham Mail refer to the players emerging to a "sea of Blue"!!!!!!!!Where are they then ....the friggin Mediteranean. Appallingly contrived dishonest reporting. Tell it like it was, absolutely pathetic turnout. I've seen more people turn up to a barbeque

Gab upfront would be great with the way their defending.

Get real Gabby is crap.

See the Tories tried to privatise the coast guard helicopter service . Only the fact some corrupt government bastard was discovered to be "advising" the potential bidder, caused the plan to be scuppered. Expect the Tories to try again in the future. Better not take my lilo out to sea then, might not be able to afford the rescue bill.

And why not. If you want to go and be stupid out at sea and not know what you're doing and get in trouble - pay the cost or take out insurance against it. Same for mountain rescue and potholers.

Are you for real. Insure my lilo!!!! Not everything should have a price attached to it. Saving lives should be our duty as decent human beings, not a commercial business. Presumably if a ship finds itself in trouble you would only rescue those who are insured, the rest are fish bait.

Are you for real? How many lilo users get rescued by the "coast guard helicopter service"

I was being sarcastic. There are many people who are rescued by helicopter though. If you wish to bill them for it fine. It would probably come at a great cost to their purse. The cost to our sense of humanity however , would I think be far greater. The world would be a far sadder place if every act of mercy carried a bill.

See the Tories tried to privatise the coast guard helicopter service . Only the fact some corrupt government bastard was discovered to be "advising" the potential bidder, caused the plan to be scuppered. Expect the Tories to try again in the future. Better not take my lilo out to sea then, might not be able to afford the rescue bill.

And why not. If you want to go and be stupid out at sea and not know what you're doing and get in trouble - pay the cost or take out insurance against it. Same for mountain rescue and potholers.

Are you for real. Insure my lilo!!!! Not everything should have a price attached to it. Saving lives should be our duty as decent human beings, not a commercial business. Presumably if a ship finds itself in trouble you would only rescue those who are insured, the rest are fish bait.

See the Tories tried to privatise the coast guard helicopter service . Only the fact some corrupt government bastard was discovered to be "advising" the potential bidder, caused the plan to be scuppered. Expect the Tories to try again in the future. Better not take my lilo out to sea then, might not be able to afford the rescue bill.

I also disagree with privatisng education (and the NHS to come) but again these policies are a continuation of exactly what Labour were doing.

How wrong is that statement?

The policies encouraged and steamrollered through by the Tory Gvmt are nothing like what Labour previously were doing. This is another attempt to justify their attacks by trying to deflect from the idea that this Tory Gvmt despite their lies is built on an ideology of far right thinking.

It has always been a long held thinking within the Tory party to reduce (and ultimately kill off) the NHS. They are afraid to come out with it but their policies have always shown that and this Gvmt are attacking them at break neck speed using the world economic crisis as some sort of justification. Attacks on public services, VAT rises, supporting their backers were dismissed pre election as scare tactics. It gives many no satisfaction to be proven 100% correct on them as this country now is and will continue to suffer.

Agree with this 100%. They will eventually pay the price at the ballot box. One can only hope they don't do too much damage to the NHS before then. They're a bunch of opportunists using the current economic difficulties to advance their own nasty little agenda. They'll never change. How sad that the Lib Dems in their grubby pursuit of power are prepared to go along with so much they are ideologically opposed to. The Tories will take a drubbing at the polls over this, the Lib Dems could disappear altogether.

I'm not bothered. keep em, they bring in tourists and it gives the country a sense of history.

So we should keep a monarch to keep foreigners happy, and make a few quid. If its about money lets make Bill Gates King. Money has nothing to do with it. My pride in my countrys history has everything to do with the people of this island and nothing to do with the largely foreign monarchs who have ruled us ,and at times butchered us, in large numbers. Nothing personal against the old German currently lording it over us. But I do not regard her children as better than mine. You see it is, or should be a moral question not a fiscal one. If her children wish to be head of state, fine, let them stand for election. Now that would be interesting.