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I just don't get why some people rate Stephen Ireland so much......I fancy he's benefitted from the mysterious Reo-Coker syndrome, i.e. the less he plays the better he gets in the eyes of some.

If we lose Milner we would do extremely well to replace him, we may bring in another body but whether that body can replicate or indeed heighten the performances of Milner is another story.

Personally I think losing Milner could be very damaging for the club, but then I thought the same about Barry and we seem to have improved off the back of that sale so who knows!

30M plus Ireland and Richards

45M cash

15M and Tevez

I'm afraid I don't think any of those are actually realistic. I could see him going for 30m cash or player exchange combined value. I would be surprised to see him going for much more than that. If they pay a value of 45m I would piss myself laughing but I just don't see it. It could be argued they are **** dumb - see Lescott/Dunne deals - but are they actually dumb enough to meet a 45m valuation? I would love to think so but I suspect not.

I think we need to get slightly real here guys as this is getting a little far-fetched.

£45M is daft, it's not going to happen, particularly not in a summer when David Villa has gone for £37M, and he truly is a world superstar.

I would imagine the ceiling for this deal if it happens is £30M, which in itself is probably double what he's actually worth.

'Arry says he'd like to sign Joe Cole but he's agreed to go somewhere else.

Oh where could it be!

Was just about to post this, what a signing he would be for us!

Sadly I can't see young Joe leaving Laarrrnddarrrnnn Town too soon, my money's on a return to West Ham and wages of around £120k p/w.

Stoke after Carlton Cole apparently. Please let this happen

Carlton Cole (the one from this season) and Hugo Rodallega up front, for me, is quite a partnership. Not that we'd get both... But we can dream.

I normally agree with you BoF but...........hell no, to either.

It's widely accepted that Gerrard is in general a shadow of his usual self when playing for England.

I don't think anyone's saying you don't deserve an opinion but when your opinion goes against that of experts (i.e. actual football managers) it can be difficult to take it seriously.

Where have you seen these opinions of other managers reported?

Don't worry Risso, remember this is coming from the man who ignores all the experts and professional coaches, players, pundits who talk about the extensive depth where Mourinho goes into his work. Funny, use it for one arguement, not another ay.

Is this not post on poster?

I wouldn't normally be so pedantic but you either have one rule for everyone or it descends into anarchy......

It's widely accepted that Gerrard is in general a shadow of his usual self when playing for England.

I don't think anyone's saying you don't deserve an opinion but when your opinion goes against that of experts (i.e. actual football managers) it can be difficult to take it seriously.

Where have you seen these opinions of other managers reported?

I haven't.

But he continues to be picked for a combination of England and Manchester United having also played for Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United, I believe Manchester United may even have parted with something in the region of £18M for his services so to say he's 'average' doesn't really leave much hope for the rest of us does it?

And btw, I know what you're getting at so better luck next time eh

Eh?

Managers make mistakes. Sorry, when I see all those misplaced passes I am clearly misinterpreting the grand plan for Carrick! Francis Jeffers has played for England and is now on the bench of some crappy league one side. Carrick has been good in the past, and at United there is talent around him that can carry shite / underperforming invididuals from time to time. mOst mancs I know say he's been very poor all year round, by the same token Gerrard has been very poor all year round acknowledged even by the most defensive of scousers. Yet he's guaranteed to start - partly and to an extent reasonably enough - based on his achievements to date with England.

what achievements to date with England?

It's widely accepted that Gerrard is in general a shadow of his usual self when playing for England.

I don't think anyone's saying you don't deserve an opinion but when your opinion goes against that of experts (i.e. actual football managers) it can be difficult to take it seriously.

Isiah Osbourne is an average poor - to - average footballer, Michael Carrick quite blatantly isn't.

and thinks of it as a shithole with the stereotype of moaning people.

Did those same people base their entire reseach on having spent 5 minutes perusing this forum by any chance?

Probably just your posts

Yes Rob, because I am the pinncale of negativity on here, well done mate.

and thinks of it as a shithole with the stereotype of moaning people.

Did those same people base their entire reseach on having spent 5 minutes perusing this forum by any chance?

Agreed on Kalinic, not sure how far he can go but he's looked useful against good quality defenders on a couple of occasions now.

Not sure how much he would improve us though and as such would not be high on my wanted list.

Stefan Moore was a 'potential world superstar'.

He looks an excellent player certainly, but he's at a crucial stage where so many have looked to be the next big thing and fallen back.

I'm with VillaChris that, although he looks a touch above the rest at the moment, it's impossible to have him pegged as anything outstanding yet.

So I think you should take your 'fail' back to 4chan.

Okay I don't actually understand the last part of your post but to compare Rodwell to Stefan Moore is like comparing the impact the cure to polio had to the impact the invention of fragranced tissue paper had.

I don't recall anyone outside of Villa claiming that Stefan Moore was going to be a world superstar, perhaps if you considered him as a potential world superstar though it would go some way to explaining why you think Rodwell is just another youngster.

Still don't quite see the fuss over Rodwell.

Decent prospect, no more.

Fail.

Marc Albrighton is "decent prospect", Danny Wellbeck is a "decent prospect", Chris Smalling is a "decent prospect".

Jack Rodwell is a potential world superstar.

Im with VillaChris, not seen it myself.

Okay, no disrespect but how much of him have you seen? Personally I cannot claim to have seen extensive amounts of him but every time I have seen him he's impressed me.

As far as I can see he's strong, tall and has a decent burst of pace for a big guy, he can pass well, run with the ball, tackle, head well, set-up goals and score goals, not only does he score goals but he scores in big games too. All this at the age of ?

Name me another of his age currently who you can say even half of the above about.....

Oh, should have added also, he can already play at centreback, fullback, central midfield and in the holding role.

Still don't quite see the fuss over Rodwell.

Decent prospect, no more.

Fail.

Marc Albrighton is "decent prospect", Danny Wellbeck is a "decent prospect", Chris Smalling is a "decent prospect".

Jack Rodwell is a potential world superstar.

Hi Gen, question for the season ticket bars for next season:

For me this is one of the only bones of contention I have with Villa in general and that is having to pay to enter the season ticket holders bars before a match. Firstly, I don't personally believe that as ST holders we should then have to pay a further few quid to enter these bars before a match but I do appreciate that it's a good extra revenue stream for the club and as such my suggestion would be to introduce a sliding scale for entrance fees, for example 2 hours or more before a game - full price, less than 2 hours say half price, one hour or less should be free.

There are many occasions when I have reached the ground later than planned and rather than pay what is in essence around £7 or so for one pint (£3 actual cost of drink + entrance fee) I have instead chosen to simply mull around outside, this has then cost the club the money that I would have paid for a pint but refused to on the basis that I would have had to have spent more just to get in than the cost of the drink itself - which is lunacy!

Is this something you think could be implemented or at least something you could approach the appropriate people regarding?

I appreciate the club will hardly miss the odd £3 from me but I can imagine that there are quite a few other people this could/would relate to.

West Ham are after Thierry Henry, if theyv'e got the nuts to try things like this, we surely must be able to ourselves. Must be worth a punt, even for a year and high wages?

I don't think anyone has said we're incapable of buying players that are past it and are looking for one final payday.

Henry is lined up fora move to the new York redbulls I believe, no disrespect to JPA but that should tell you all you need to know....

Mate you've got to admit that even if "he's past his best", his average is better than a shitload of strikers!? He could be that sub who can turn a game on it's head with a moment of brilliance! Alla Berger, or even the way Phillips is used at Brum.

Also a star quality which would undoubtedley boost our profile.

A la Berger.

IIRC Berger had one single moment of magic in the entire time

he was with us, I would have used Berger as a prime

example against why we shouldn't sign Henry....a lot of money spanked on wages for **** all return.

Which is what we would get from henry now.

West Ham are after Thierry Henry, if theyv'e got the nuts to try things like this, we surely must be able to ourselves. Must be worth a punt, even for a year and high wages?

I don't think anyone has said we're incapable of buying players that are past it and are looking for one final payday.

Henry is lined up fora move to the new York redbulls I believe, no disrespect to JPA but that should tell you all you need to know....

Be interesting if he comes out with the standard "It's always flattering to be linked to a big club" statement

Could even a modern day footballer be that stupid?!?

If it was United, Chelski, Barca etc then fair enough, but it would be like suicide to say that in relation to City, a club by the way that we are still at the moment larger than.

I appreciate that will quickly be erased once they win something.

as the general has stated randy wants the best for the villa

What if Randy thinks what is best is taking 30 or 40M, clearing some debts and funding our summer transfer spending?

Then if thats what Randy thinks and MON agrees, I'm all for it.

With respect, the person who originally posted the comment was saying that he didn't think we would take a silly offer as Randy would not think it in the best interests of the club, like you I think an offer of 30M plus would be too good for the owner to turn down. I was just saying to the original poster that his interpretation of what Randy feels is in the best interests of the club and what Randy actually feels is in the best interests of the club may in fact be at odds wtih one another

i agree i was just saying i dont think Randy is motivated by big money offers for players, his interest is ASTON VILLA, and he trust MoN, and if MoN doesnt want to sell he wont regardless of the offer, plus i cant see milner playing up like GB.

im fairly confident Milner will be in our beloved Claret and Blue next season.

Not to mention that surely Milner feels he must owe the club at least some gratitude given that he's finally arrived whilst playing for us, MoN's seen the best in him and made him the central figure, literally and metaphorically, this coupled with the fact that he's still young enough to give us another couple of years and still be courted by the biggest and best should ensure that we have at least another 12 months of Jimmy to enjoy.

If we don't make top four next season though he'll be nailed on to leave, a la GB.

Just thought I'd give you lot a head-up, if you didn't know. Milner will be giving an interview on SSN at 2pm!

I would be shocked if he gave a direct answer regarding the bid from Man City, he will most likely say something like:

"the most important thing at the moment is concentrating on the world cup with England", at which point some slimy journo scumbag will try and push the point again and an England representative will step in and say "no more transfer questions please".

This will of course fuel the fire with regards him being likely to leave....cue pandemonium on VT.

If Johnson is picked in the final squad i fancy him to be not only the surprise package in the WC but our most effective player, albeit coming off the bench.

This.

Oh how hindsight can be sow wonderful, Johnsons instead of Downing and we'd have been laughing all the way into 4th place this season.....in my opinion.....

NEW NEWS JUST BROKEN!!!

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2559/rumours/2010/05/20/1933364/manchester-united-set-to-offer-aston-villa-michael-carr

Man Utd to enter Milner race & offer Carrick as part of deal

Also City preparing 2nd player plus cash bid!! Link to follow!!

2nd link to new city bid: http://www.tribalfootball.com/man-city-include-players-new-bid-villa-star-milner-852041

"new news" hilarious!

All news is new hence the word news!!!

How the fook do you judge who the best player is?!?

Or has someone cracked the enigma code on capello's player index.....

Would anyone take Mascherano ?

Is this a serious question?

I should imagine Mascherano will be setting his sights a little higher than Villa big chief.

Though whilst we're on the subject, would anyone take Torres and Gerrard?

That makes ZERO sense. That's like saying "I may as well start paying my mortgage now but I don't move in for 2 years"

If we have to pay the fonz 50k in 2 years to keep him then we will. No point in pouring £5million down the train between now and then.

Edit: was referring to SGC's last post

ok then so you'd rather risk losing the best young striker in the country?

What we pay him now makes no difference to whether he stays or goes. If he's attracting attention in 2 years we'll offer him the money then.

Paying it him now when no-one's particularly interested is madness.

if he leaves in 2 years and his reason is "Villa didn't pay me £50k a week for the past 2 years" then he can **** off anyway.

Well I've seen reports recently saying that Everton will offer Jack Rodwell 50k per week and he's the same age as Delfouneso and a lot less potential imo, it's called looking after your best assets or risk losing them

It's actually reported in the mirror (best actual link, so hardly concrete) that it's £25,000 a week, and he also has played 47 games for Everton and 11 for England under 21's, so Delfouneso is less experienced than Rodwell.

apologies, I thought it was 50k, I never said he didn't have more experience, I said Delfouneso has more potential which he does

No, he really doesn't.

Jack Rodwell can play in central defence, at full back, in a holiding role, in central midfield, in the hole and probably up top too, he can tackle, pass, score goals, win the ball in the air and hasn't looked out of place once since making his name. He's also scored big goals in big games.

Jack Rodwell has all the attributes.